EP 73: THE FOUR-MINUTE HABIT BEHIND DR. SEB'S ALL-DAY ENERGY

Grounding Breath And Why Truth Matters

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Well, welcome back to Not Alone with Melissa Sue. Like always, I'd like to start with a few grounded breaths. So if you can place one hand on your heart, one hand on your belly.

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We're going to take a slow inhale through the nose. And a long exhale through the nose. Let's do that a few more times. Inhale through the nose. And a long exhale.

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Always love to start with a breath that grounds me and grounds my audience for the information that we're going to share today because my podcast is sharing truth. I'm a truth speaker. I'm also sharing some personal stories because you never know who on the other side might feel alone and doesn't know who to trust for resources. Ever since my husband died, who was a dentist by suicide in 2022, I asked myself why. And before that, I did all the work myself. I knew I had to heal myself. And as I did, I started my podcast to share other people's stories because once I shared mine through my books, it allowed others to not feel alone and speak a truth for them as well. And so this is also what it opened up to me was the world of biological dentistry. And I've got been blessed by being connected by so many wonderful biological dentists. And it opened up the door to educate you as the listener about your oral health because each tooth is an is connected to an organ. And it's so vital to start looking in the mouth first. And each dentist that I have on will give you that empowerment to make those choices yourself now. So get educated. So this is why I have the honor today to have Dr. Seb, all the way from the UK, here today, to share his story as to how he became a biological dentist, his own own health journey, but also what he provides for his patients today, how he's able to treat patients today. So welcome, Dr. Sev.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

What an inspirational podcast and journey you've been on. And I'm just so grateful you're being so raw and honest and vulnerable with the audience because that's huge. And it's obviously you've seen me online, it's what I do with my clients and patients too, you know. It's just 100% yourself, 100% natural, and just give them all the information that you have. And that changes week by week and day by day, as we know, right? That we can give you the best of our knowledge right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Exactly. And once you see the truth, you can't unsee it, right? And that's why I'm so grounded in knowing what I saw, first of all, with my own husband as a dental hygienist for 17 years and connecting the dots. And so I'm just so curious. What I've seen now by interviewing other dentists and specifically biological dentists, there's always a pivotal moment in their lives that created that shift. Either something happened to them personally, or they saw it to a loved one or a patient. And then they they had to create that shift. So I'd love to learn your journey because I think I wrote down here, I read that you originally believed natural medicine didn't work.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Yes. I was infortunated.

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So tell me that that part of Dr. Sev where you thought natural medicine didn't work and how your health journey shifted that.

Dr. Sev’s Early Drive And Detours

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Well, it's a bit of a story. So um I guess we'll start with my favorite saying, which is persistence beats resistance. And I was uh I guess my family dynamics within my system when being younger, as my my um dad was very focused on my sports achievements, my mum was very focused on my academia achievements. So it it it the cauldron part of that really made me try and excel in everything. And of course it can go the other way, right? Because my brother lost his ability to excel because he didn't like feedback that he was getting in in our internal family system. So it's interesting how you reflect on these things as an adult, but um it it led me being very good at um science. I fell in love with science for some reason, and from an early age I wanted to do dentistry, and um it just came from my mum saying, Well, if you're good at science, you could be a doctor, you can be a dentist, you can be a scientist. And then I went to work experience in a dental practice, and this was back in the day where you didn't need any qualifications to nurse or anything, you could just go in and assist the dentist, and they would really be guiding you on Saturdays. And I was working on reception, and I I did that for I think I started like when I was 13, 14, and I finished when I was maybe like 17, and I stopped doing that nursing and that at that reception work because I didn't get into the to the grades in the UK to get into dental school first time around. And at the same time, because I was so focused on my sports, I was um I did all the sports as a kid, but as I got older and I was more focused, I I ended up playing foot football or soccer. Uh you know, football we can call it now, you guys have realised what football is in the World Cup being in America, eh? Oh yeah. Uh although we won't talk about the England game.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Okay. Love it.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

And then um and then um so football and boxing, and I actually lost so I was I was f I was ranked fourth in the UK for my weight division at the time, and I lost the fight in the semi-finals of the nationals of the UK. That if I had won, I would have been in the 2012 Olympic training camp, and this was back in 20 end of 2010. So then I looked at it, I was like, right, my grades aren't good enough to get into dental school, my sports, I'm on the precipice, but I'm not quite good enough. I've got to make a decision here. Where do I go? What do I do? And I decided to focus on my grades. So I resat my whole second year. Um in England we call it A-levels, it's just before um it's college really in England, but it's not university, it's like the two years before college. Uh using the case.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

We have that in Quebec City, it's called Shi Sep. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

And I was like, okay, well, I'll I'll resit my exams. Anyway, the the irony is I stopped the professional or the semi-professional boxing and I um did my exams and I still didn't get the grades to get into dental university because it's crazy, crazy hard in the UK as it is in America, I'm sure. And um I thought, oh, maybe it was just about the money. Maybe I just wanted to earn lots of money. So I thought, okay, what was my worst grade? And I went to university to study my worst grade, which was chemistry and uh chemistry because I um chemistry was just one of those things that didn't click. So I was like, right, if I go to It didn't click for me either.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

I didn't like that class either.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

So hard. It was. So I went to undergraduate and I came out with a first in chemistry at at the end of the three years. And I was like, oh, I can't be bothered to go and do another four years of dentistry. Let's just let's just uh go to London, go on a graduate scheme, earn good money. And I went and joy joined Fujitsu services. They're a bit like IBM, probably, but you guys would know, and was on their sales and graduate scheme, and I I was two-year graduate program, and every six months you get graded, and I was outstanding at everything. At the end of it, I I qualified from their graduate scheme as a supergraduate, and they gave me all this extra money, all these bonuses, and all this stuff. But I hated my life, and I just really didn't enjoy anything.

Bolivia ICU And The Pharma-Only Lens

SPEAKER_00 8:11

And at the time, before I started this graduate scheme, I went traveling around South America and I got really ill in South America, and I did Brazil, Argentina, um, and Bolivia. And when I was in La Paz in Bolivia, I ended up intensive care. I had um pulmonary, well, I had severe altitude sickness, which led to pulmonary edema, which led to a heart murmur, and then I was copping up blood, couldn't make my flight, collapsed at the airport, and no one could find me because my phone got stolen when I got caught when I collapsed with an iPhone back then. And um so in the end, my mum and dad managed to get through to American Airlines and they found me in this hospital, this you know, airport hospital. And um the UK Embassy came and rescued me, and they took me down to another hospital, and I was there for a week on oxygen and antibiotics and all these crazy things. And on the back of that, when I came back to the UK and I started this graduate scheme, which is where I met my wife, right? So I just spent three years of um studying pharmacology, biochemistry, understanding how everything interacts in the system, but not learning how natural things interact, only pharmacy, right? So that's when I was indoctrinated with only understanding how pharmacy could help us. And during this journey of my own, I couldn't basically nowadays you it's you know, a SIBO is probably like what I had back then, because I was having antibiotics, antifungals, antiparasitics, and I had like six or I think it was six courses in nine months.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

And a different antibiotics, antifungals, antiparasitics because they couldn't diagnose me with anything. Tropical disease centre couldn't find anything, no one could find out what's going on. This led me really depressed, and I was like, how can my life be like this? And I'm on doing so well at universe the graduate scheme, but I have no energy for socializing, I have no energy for my other half. I was getting home, going to bed just so I could get up and go to work the next day. It was like this crazy loop that I was stuck in. And at the same time, my wife at that point developed health anxiety as well because she was she was the classic orthodontic extraction case when she was younger. And she did I've seen photos of her, she had a lovely wide dental arch, and they took four premolars out and um retraction, and she had head, neck, shoulder problems, TMD, basically airway collapse now is what we call it, right? Um she was having all these ergonomic mouses, you know. This is back from the day, these ergonomic mouses, all these special computer desk things, and and sitting in the right places and still having all these like horrible symptoms and anxiety. Um so she was going through what we now call the airway journey, and I was going through the microbiome journey at that time, but I was doing it for functional medicine and practitioner, and she was going through no one doing being able to help her in the UK, right? Because this is like 15 years ago. And um she found a guy, and he was like, Oh yeah, well, you know, you can use splints to release the jaw, and then we'll have to do jaw surgery, didn't feel right. Went to another guy, oh we can use the alf, we can expand this, and she just she just like broke in the broke down in the chair crying, be like, Yeah, this is this is literally what I feel like I need intuitively after researching like all the Reddit forums and what the guys in America were doing, because we're typically in the UK we're we're kind of behind the times, I would say, in terms of psychological death surgery. Um, and so she had that journey. I was going through the cleansing and restoring of the microbiome and and changing my gut environment and getting better every like um week. But during this journey, I met an immunologist because I had met private medical care, luckily, and um he wrote a book and he was like, This must have been his eighties when I first met him. He's like, Well, what are you doing with your life? And I said, Oh, I'm in I'm in this graduate scheme in London. And he said, Uh, well, did you want to do that? He was like, uh, do you enjoy it? I was like, No, really, the only day I look forward to is payday. And he was like, Okay, well, what did you want to do? And I said, Well, I wanted to be a dentist when I was a kid. And and he and I said, I couldn't tell you why I wanted to be a dentist, just always knew I wanted to be a dentist. And he was like, Okay, well let me put you in contact with King's College London entry programmes. And there's only five universities in the UK that do an accelerated program for people that have already done undergraduates that are accepted. And we worked out that we couldn't afford to live in and rent in London and be a student again, and on my on my wife's salary, so we moved up north to which is where she's from, to Manchester in the UK. And I studied at an accelerated programme, which basically in the UK you do the first two years in one, which is all the theory, all the knowledge, all of the like practicing on Dunnheads and stuff. And then the last three years you're working in the NHS, you're working all these deprived areas in Accrington, Burnley, um I don't know, Accrington, Burnley, Carlisle, um, yeah, Morcam, these really deprived areas, and it was great experience because they needed the dental care and we were guided by all our professors, which is rare, because in the UK you work in dental hospitals and you only get filtered in patients who've already been seen by other clinicians. So it was like it's a very new thinking, it's more like an apprenticeship for dentists, which makes sense, right? Because you were actually doing dentistry day in, day out, so honing your skills. So,

The Pivot Into Biological Dentistry

SPEAKER_00 13:12

but at the same time I was learning the normal dental route, I knew that functional medicine had helped me and got me back to my best, if not better. So I wanted to do functional dentistry, which I thought it was called then, right? But then I realized there was no practitioners in the UK doing this. Holistic dentistry was not a thing, biological dentistry that didn't have there was no term back then. And so I I shadowed the guy that was doing my wife's braces to learn the airway expansion aspects from the ALFS perspective. And then I went to another guy that I'd heard of in which is the clinic I own now, which is so funny how it works. But and um I went to him and he just he wouldn't answer the phone. He was so busy all the time, obviously, because there's not many biological dentists, just didn't respond to me, didn't get back to me. And then one evening when I was at my wife's um dentist, he was in the waiting room and I said, Wow, and he introduced himself and I said, That is so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Wow, how divine intervention there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

So I started shadowing and waiting and learning from him, and then he took me um straight into biological dentistry. So in the UK you meant to do a an NHS foundation junior doctor year. I was like, no, that does not make sense to me. I don't feel aligned with that. I'm not gonna be placing amalgams in people. I barely did any during my undergraduate either, and I just went straight into holistic dentistry of what knowledge he had anyway. And then obviously um it's a big learning curve, which I'm sure we'll come on to because there's so many aspects to it. But and the clinic was not set up for the full remit of biological dentistry that we know now. But since I've um taken it on the last three years, we've made sure that we're like the most incorporated, incorporating practice for biological dentistry that that patients come to us and we uh do all aspects of it, not just one area, and trying to get specialists in to support in all aspects because it's such a minefield, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 15:01

It is, and it's so hard, probably for you when you first started like that, like you said, it you were kind of the only one other than this other dentist that you shadowed. So, did you find that hard to start off just even from other colleagues from general dentists?

SPEAKER_00 15:17

I I took the during my undergraduate study, I did my dissertation on coconut oil pulling and the benefits of it, and and I I just got like completely failed, and they laughed at me and they didn't understand the evidence, didn't say it was any good. And so I was like, you know what? I that hurt a lot from my perspective, even though my when when my colleague read my whole dissertation, she was like, This is incredible. How can they bear you for this? And I said to her at that point that I'm just gonna focus on patients and what I think I can deliver to them. So that I I lost the noise from the other professionals within the UK because I was one of the only to start doing this in a wholesome, complete way. And I said, Right, I'm gonna look to America, I'm gonna look to Australia, I'm gonna look to Switzerland, I'm gonna look to Germany, and I'm gonna go and shadow all these top dentists and learn from all these courses and bring it to the UK so we can have this complete ecosystem. So I spent, and obviously every day's a school day, and I'm still learning now, but I spent the first element of my career learning airway expansion, orthopedic orthodontics, homeoblock, um, cranial decompression, splint work, TMD work, um, bite alignment. And then I then after that, I was like hearing about Dr. Dome in Germany and being like, oh gosh, yeah, there's cavitations and there's root canals. I was like, okay, I've got really got to hone in on surgery, but there's no one in the UK doing cavitation work. There was one guy that I can find, a German guy in the south, which is on the on the coast down south. And I spent 10 months going down, learning, shadowing, it's cleaning out the jawbone with him. Um, you know, and he was doing it manually. So he was going into these cavitation areas manually, no rotary equipment, no nothing, cleaning them all about. And then so I thought that was cavitations. Then I went to Munich and started learning, oh no, you can use piso, you can use ceramic birds, you can use this, you can use that, you can use ozone. He was using ozone to be fair. And I was like, wow. And then I was like, right, I've got to learn ceramic implantology because I don't want to be putting metals in my patient's mouth. So then had to go to Switzerland and the implantology. And then now, that was all before I got the clinic, and then when I got the clinic, it's like, oh my gosh, there's only me on this clinic and a therapist and a hygienist, I've got to get more dentists, but of course that takes time, right? And then I'm only at the point now where um I've just got enough clinicians in to help me out and I can start specializing in the areas I want to. Okay. Which for me is definitely this neurocranial decompression, plus the big surgeries as and when needed. But um one thing I didn't start with there is because I went that didn't mention there is because when I went from university straight into holistic dentistry, I wanted to start from the beginning, and the first thing I learned was breathing, like you just did at the beginning of this thing.

Start With Nasal Breathing And Sleep

SPEAKER_00 17:52

You take o breathing, specifically nasal breathing, unless you're in a fight or flight moment, and my functional therapy to improve the biomechanics of breathing, right? And that I found because I wasn't doing all this big, crazy, fancy cavitation, ceramic implants, root canal removals. I found that I could make such a huge impact in my patients' life, uh kids and adults, kids to grow better and breathe better and be more focused and not, you know, ADHD and all over the place and not sleeping and waking up all the time. Adults just to to be present and to actually like live in their life and feel grateful. And I noticed that a lot of their symptoms that they had and they were thinking, oh, it was the mochi fillings, it was this and that. Before we even did that, big more expensive stuff, we just got them doing breathing exercises three months and you and mechanical stuff, biomechanical m muscular tension and releases, it made a huge impact. So I thought that was and that's why when new patients now come to see me, I my one of my sayings to them is like you don't know what percentage that is going so I always say you've got a line of symptoms, right? And you you go through day to day like this, and when you go over this line you get symptoms. And now we want to take a chunk out of down here so you can operate down here again. However, how am I meant to know if that's the mercury, if that's the breathing, if that's the depth of sleep, if that's the root canal and if failed root canals or the inflammation within jawbone. So I always say you start with the easy, low-hanging fruit, least invasive, reversible, least expensive things, and then you build up to the more advanced stuff later. Because I had that initial look at you know, dentistry where I was like, we're just doing breathing and mechanics to start with, because it made such an impact. That's where I started most of my patients now, and only build up if I need to.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Yeah, I love that. I love that you start because breath is the most important, right? The quality of our breath. And I uh how I dove into that was was my son. I I got into airway when he was really little. I'm still working with him alongside. You know, it's been a long journey, but that's he was my teacher in airway. And we brought that to our dental practice in Los Alas. So I love that you start with that, because even you mention your your wife with anxiety, people don't realize that anxiety could be your airway. So I'd love to go back and kind of focus on that because I know you talk a lot about that, especially with babies. You know, if a um a parent is listening right now has a newborn, there's so many things they can uh learn right away from their baby's mouth. Like, for example, if they're not latching on, so many moms they think, oh my gosh, it's me, I'm doing something wrong, or you know, they're not latching on, where it could be a tongue tie, it could be a left tie, you know, off, it could be so many things. And I've been curious if, you know, once you dive into tongue ties, lip ties, my belief is that it's a wound-up nervous system. You know, they like in vitro, the baby will kind of mimic the mom's nervous system or the surrounding nervous system. And then they're born with that. And with oftentimes, these tongue ties at birth, it's just a wound-up nervous system, or maybe the trauma of the birth, too. That could be something. So I'd love for you to just kind of educate people listening, because I was never taught that, even as a dental hygienist. My husband, a dentist. As I gave birth to my kids, my son does have a tongue tie, had a lot of nervous system issues from colic, which I learned later on was all gut issues. And it it prevailed from me when I was pregnant. I was living in so much fear and just had a very good environment. And so how that has a ripple effect, but how it affects our airway my son had, even though he slept long hours, was droggy all day. Uh he was um kind of more quick to temper, aggressive as a little boy, you know, the lot of screaming and effective behavioral issues that would be kind of off. Maybe he's ADHD, but a lot. We met a dentist that talked a lot about airway, and so we went down that road with him. But yeah, I'd love to give you the platform now to explain your expertise.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

Yeah, I didn't even talk about the tongue tie journey stuff, did I? My my mentor that I got the clinic from, he was releasing baby's tongues from probably like 10 years, even before I met him. So he was one of the pioneers for laser dentistry within the UK. And this was with the Erbium Yag laser, which is like called the water laser, biolays create it, and um obviously now superseded with the CO2 laser releases in in our kind of way of thinking from a dental professional point of view. But I even think, like you say, it starts within utero when it's the mother's nervous system, the stressful environment, the vitamin K2, I think is the missing thing, and the mito vitamin K2, for anyone that doesn't know about that, is like the work that Weston A. Price did 100 and years ago, I think it was now, wasn't it? That if he called it activator acts, and one of the main reasons he thinks that the indigenous societies when they left the way that they lived and ate, that the downfall for it was the processed foods and the lack of nutrients within the diet.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

And one of them was Yeah, because it's in our soil, the food uh the soil that our food is is being grown in, we're not getting the nutrients out of those.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Exactly. So supplementing now for vitamin K2 or eating the foods that are high in K2, you know, like codnivoreals and stuff, I think really supports the growth and development and of the baby, but also here's a crazy one that I've been researching a bit more recently that obviously with glyphosate that's been introduced into the market in the 1970s, um, and how it disrupts and kills all of the bugs living in the fields, right? It also does that with all the food that we eat when we're eating non-organic, which we've all done for many years until we found out about it. If if mothers are doing that and their mitochondria is dysfunctional because of it, because glyphosate mitochondria is a a bug that's living in harmony with our ecosystem. So if we've got dysfunctional mitochondria during pregnancy and our body is not circulating energy and communicating properly because our bug system, our mitochondria is not communicating properly because of glyphosate, then I think that has a massive change in the baby's apoptosis, which is breaking down, you know, like we all start with webbed fingers, so it's breaking down the tissue in between the fingers, um, which is the same thing for the tongue, same thing for the the lip ties as as well. Um

Tongue Ties Explained With Clear Tests

SPEAKER_00 24:30

and if anyone that doesn't know what a tongue tie is, is it's kind of too let's circle back to how there's two, yeah. Let's do two tongues two types of tongue tie first. One is complete tongue tie. I've got a lot of balloons today, haven't I? Keep coming up. Um a complete tongue tie is where the tongue is completely attached to the lower jaw of the mandible. Uh it can't move. So it's stuck there. That's the one that even midwifes and healthcare visitors understand, and feeding just can't happen. That's true. Anchoglossia. The other ones, the posterior tongue ties, is where the tongue is too tightly attached to the muscular diaphragm underneath it. So in order for it to move, the the the diaphragm has to move with it for the tongue to operate normally, which is speaking, swallowing, um obviously proper breathing as well, with the tongue being in the roof of the mouth. However, when babies are born, I think, like you said, that nervous system that if the if they have this posterior version of tongue tie, you can functionally release it with cranial sacral therapists, chiropractors that are network spinal um and osteopaths um by working with the fascial systems within the body. And then that will because some babies can't feed at all even with a posterior tongue tie, because they realize the tongue can't move with the fascia and the fascia's pulling on the floor of the mouth muscles, but they're too tight. So there has to be an element of a functional release there that those body workers can help us do. However, there's always going to be some type of compensation for a posterior tongue tie. So because it's really because that tongue has to move completely. Sorry, let me categorize it for you. So anchoglossia is 0% movement of the tongue. Posterior tongue tie is an element of movement, but the tongue floor of the mouth muscles have to move with it, right? So how I categorize it is that however much floor of the mouth compensation there is, is what so normal tongue movement should be 60% movement of the tongue before it engages the floor of the mouth, or more. So more the better, right? Because it's completely free tongue. I call it like a slight posterior tongue tie when it's between 30% and 60% of movement, and I call it a strong posterior tongue tie when it's zero to thirty percent movement. And a tie is still a tie, that fascia is still going to be connected throughout the whole body. But what we do is we functionally release the fascia first, allow the nervous system to calm, use the body workers to get more functional movements, and then we end up releasing the tongue. So then hopefully we're aiming to achieve at least 60% or move 60% or more movement from that tongue to help the baby feed. Now, obviously, the first element is feeding, right? The baby can then feed, the family unit is happy.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Um because feeding will shape the jaw too, right? The profile of facial structure. I mean, back in the day we used to breastfeed two or four years, so it had all this and went straight to solid foods. And now we go from breastfeeding, you know, very little amount of time because oftentimes mothers have to go back to, you know, work and and given all these, you know, just pouches. And so it's people have to understand the benefits of getting these things addressed early on, because it affects, first of all, their their jaw, right? And and the airway that's coming in, because air, like you said, is the most important. So the way that we're breathing, the baby's breathing.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

And if if so, if we release that tongue and then that tongue can go back to the breast and it can feed by putting active pressure in the roof of the mouth on the palate, you're pushing actively on the skeletal bone, the maxilla, to influence maximum epigenetic growth for that child, right? So when we get a wide proper sw when we get a proper swallow functionally, we unlock epigenetic potential to get as wide as possible for that kid. So then what I say is that if you think about that not happening, and you're like, oh okay, the baby can feed, right? We can bottle feed, because we don't have to breastfeed, or it can if there's a posterior tongue tie there, but and the baby can breastfeed, but there's a lot of mouth breathing going on, even you notice it as a baby, you say, Okay, we don't need it for feeding, but what are the what's the cost, opportunity cost? You say, Okay, well, if the tongue is not growing the upper jaw, the jaw and the tongue is low, the jaw comes down, it traps the lower jaw back, the tongue blocks the airway when we sleep, crowding comes in, we get dental decay because we're clenching, grounding, mouth breathing, and we're in this cascading effect of all this dental work, and then the risk factor then for all this additional dentistry that happens to that child is impacting the body from a biochemical point of view because they're having all these extra materials within the mouth that could disrupt the nervous system, the endocrine system, the regulating breathing system. And we know now that if the tongue is not biomechanically in the roof of the mouth and it stays there while we sleep, we don't stay in deep sleep as much, our lymphatic system doesn't kick in, our brain does not shrink 60%, we do not flush all the toxins away, and then we get all of those things like we're talking about ADD, ADDHD, depression, anxiety. Because I say to my patients that adult patients that have got these issues, we start with the myofunctional therapy first because you're anxious, I believe, because your airway collapses at night time, and the only way for your airway to open is your autonomic nervous system sending a signal to either clench, grind, open your mouth, or protrude your jaw forward. Now, if your body's having to do this lots of times at night time, it is activating the fight or flight nervous system all the time. So then you're predetermined in the day to be more fight or flight than you are meant to be more rest and digest. So when you're more fight or flight, not only is your body more anxious, but you're more reactive to things, you're more likely to get cold, blah, blah, blah. It's just a never-ending story, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 30:14

Yeah. Yeah, it's so true. It's just people come to realize that they're breathing, the quality of the oxygen. You know, I see it all the time now. I can't unsee it as well, right? The shape of their jaws and and uh or the the bags, you know, the little kids that have so many bags under their eyes, and and how important to find a provider that does air away uh early on, or if a mother is having a hard time with a baby latching, that could be something that they can look into, find a provider that is knowledgeable with babies doing the cranial stacral adjustment, doing the myofacial therapy. You know, that's kind of what I'm doing with my son too, is my myofacial therapy, the expander. Um, we've done done lots of different modalities, and um it takes time, but I wish this is why I have these podcasts. I wish I would have had this knowledge with this little baby. I mean, he did breastfeed, but he was so colicky, you know, went through all these behavioral things and I kept asking and asking. Luckily, I'm very curious and I I ask a lot of questions, and the ones that don't resonate with me are the ones where I'm told, like, oh, well, you know, I personally have been told so many times like, take a anti acid or take 800 milligrams. I'm like, what? No, like that that doesn't get me to the why. So I've and I've always been more on the you know natural side. I'm not against the Western medicine, but it's just um it it's it's just uh knowing the root cause. And oftentimes it is breathing. So I love that you're a big advocate in that and people can follow you, and you're always giving out great uh reels about that education-wise. And now I've had I've written down so many things I want to dive with you because I think this topic is so important as far as you know uh thumb sucking and pacifiers. Like, what do you tell your patient? Because I know that's my my son stuck his two fingers. And gosh, I know that's why I could sympathize with parents. You know, I was a dental hygienist and I was like, yeah, I know it is so hard to remove that because it's it was kind of um soothing his nervous system, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:24

And uh finally I was a thumbsucker, so I know it as well.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Yeah, me too. So very long. And Leonia, you know, did have the braces, but that could be another conversation too about that. But but uh what would you recommend to parents where uh they want to they're using pacifier or their kids are, you know, thumbsuckers and the long-term effects.

Pacifiers, Thumb Sucking, And Jaw Growth

SPEAKER_00 32:48

I kind of split this whole thing. I did a presentation in London a few a month ago now, probably, and I tried to split it into something really simple for us all to understand. And like, I feel like there's in my world anyway, there's five phases of biological dentistry. The first one is pre-infancy that we've already taught. The second one is the babies and the tethered oral tissues, and then the compensations and the habits, and we'll dive into that in a minute. And then if we've not done that as a baby, it's like what you're doing now: the myopunctural therapy, the correcting of the habits, the releasing of the tongue tie, um, and the expansion of the jaw skeleton if we didn't get it when we were young enough. And then as an adult, there's a few things. There's deburdening the adult body by removing all the stuff that's been put in as a result of all of this. I really true believe it's as a result of all of this. And then looking for inflammatory inflammation sources from the the adult body as well. So deburning is the materials, and then removing the inflammation sources is like kind of the um failed root canals, dead teeth that are unknown, um, the cavitations from previous extraction sites that have not healed. So what I'm saying is it gets more complex. Oh, and then the third is the adult airway stabilization, right? Because they're the two the de-burdening of the adult body and the inflammation reduction are the two sections that the dentistry that's been done that we have to undo to try and get them back to balance. But the airway stabilization for an adult is also important because if you've done none of this as a kid, you've still got to do it as an adult, right? To help you breathe better in deep sleep. So um it's like it gets more compounding the older we get. So fixing it, like in why you're so passionate, fixing it younger prevents these children from having the issues that we've all had to deal with when we've gotten older. So I um I ultimately say that um dummies and pacifiers don't support they so they soothe the nervous system for our kids and they help us deal with life, right? Because it's hard when they're not balanced. But but what I've come to learn is that it's a compensation for not being able to self-soothe, and that normally means that they um have a tongue tie. That's my experience. Okay. Because that's good to know.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

So you're saying if they're having uh you try and sue and having a hard time soothing themselves. That usually tongue tie. And that makes so much sense because my son had a tongue tie and he had a lot of problems trying to soothe himself, and he had a two-finger and you know, and just propels it. And so I love that you mentioned that.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

I was the same. I was a thumbsucker up until about eight years old. So if we notice these habits, we can replace them with things like myo munchis or myo choos, things that are going to promote the jaw growth and nasal breathing rather than um hinder it. Because as soon as you've got a dummy or a pacifier in there, you're enabling the suck reflex, which calls the cheeks in, which stops the palatal growth, and then you're also stopping the tongue from getting to the roof of the mouth, so you get a high voltage palate as well, which affects the nasal breathing. So you you're affecting quite a lot without knowing. Um, and I was only breastfed for three months, and I have a very high root of the mouth, and I as a thumb sucker afterwards. But as soon as that tongue can get into the roof of the mouth with the children, either by tongue tie release within the first couple of months of life or myofunctional therapy and tongue tie release later, the child will just drop off with any of their habits because their tongue self-soothes for them. Because when you connect the nervous system from the tip I think it's the um the vagus nerve, isn't it? Which is one of the muscles that innervates the um the I think it's the glossopharangeal that comes yeah, glossopharangeal is not the vagus nerve, isn't it? I can't remember it comes into the tongue somehow. Yes in some of the anatomy. Yeah, and when you get that nerve up to the roof of the mouth where the other nerves meet, even in Ayurveda, it calms the nervous system. They talk about it. But if you can't do that, you'll have to press on the roof of the mouth to help you innovate that nerve. So it just connects the rest and digest nervous system, which is the only place that we can do it outside of the autonomic nervous system, which is why it's so important, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Yeah, that's why I always say it's the number one, you gotta work on the nervous system. That's why I created the calm chair system because I see it day in, day out with a patient. If they're coming in like the first of all, they come on the chair and the first thing they feel is kind of anxious, right? They think about coming the dentist two days prior and they're getting anxious, and they sit there and I take the blood pressure. It's always really high, primarily. And so working on the nervous system is number one, I I truly feel, and the way that you're doing dentistry. And I love that you traveled all over and to seek education. And and uh, you know, that's kind of how hard you had to seek for that, but you saw the truth and you seek the truth, even though it was out of status quo. And the way you provide uh, you know, this kind of dentistry in the UK, which is usually pretty behind when it comes to dentistry. Uh I'm just, you know, honored that you're here sharing your wisdom because that is to educate patients and what you've learned. And you've had to work really hard, you know, years of finding this information. Like I said, is it ever evolving? And so many people always ask me, well, why doesn't everybody practice this? How would you answer that? Why are more, you know, I know I talk at dental conferences now, and uh they're like, oh, you're the breathwork girl, but no, I talk about the nervous system trying to bring in the science to the logical mind to understand. And uh, and that's okay, just like you. I'm like, it's okay. I quiet the noise and I know what I'm doing, and I know what I'm trying to bring in this awareness because I saw the worst case scenario with my husband, what it does to the nervous system and how he got lost in the system where he went, okay, I'm in a lot of pain, I'm in this and that. Well, what are you given? Big pharma, right? And so it just spiraled. And so I honor what you're doing with the work, and how would you answer that? Why are more providers, dentists, not going this route?

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Well, I think it's the education systems, isn't it, to start with? Yes. Like we're not taught this at dental school. And you, and like you said at the beginning, we have to come through a place of hurt or like what is going on? Why am I feeling this way? Why am I depressed? Why is my body out of balance? I mean, I was in my early 20s when my system was failing me after going to Bolivia and and not being well because my immune system is so short. And it was only because I met my other half and she was into the natural things, like you know, you need to stop eating sugar, stop drinking alcohol, you know, the sports you're doing is too intense for your nervous system, you're not giving yourself any recovery. And that was when I went to nutrition and therapists and got microbiome.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

At least you were open to it.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

But only because I tried my own way for a couple of years first and it wasn't working.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:40

I was eventually open to it, so that's good, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Yeah, because like you said, in education, you're kind of who who's uh funding the educational programs for medical company, right? For medical schools is pharmacy rules, right? And so that's how I answer it. I said, well, who's funding the schooling and that's what you're learning? And to unlearn something, like how hard is it for us as we do inner work to unlearn old patterns we were taught as a young age? It takes repetitiveness, keep asking questions and um being curious. So I think for for me, having this podcast now, and you know, it's a small community of dentists. Once you, you know, I know some that are magical and some that are not. And my whole thing is to educate even the general dentist to be open to move this way. And I love how you said go shadow. I did the same when I decided to go. I was like, okay, become an anthropath, dental, a hygiene. And I actually remember shadowing as well. And a female dentist, she was encouraging me to become a dentist, and I was like, well, I don't know. And I was like, I don't know. And and so, but you know, God aligned me to in this profession for a reason. Now I see it very clearly why, but and because I do truly feel is the most important place to look for overall health because breath is so important. That's why I tie in breath work at the same time. So for dentists to encourage them to go shadow, right? Go shadow a biological dentist, go shadow and get curious. And I mean, now when I'm in practice, I'll still tempt a general practitioners or biological, and I can see it myself. I can see the truth and start educating yourself. Look, look at the margins, look at um around a root canal. Like I see this on a daily basis. I, you know, I'm gonna take the the measurement, the periol measurements around there, and it's moderate bleeding around a root canal, but everywhere else is okay.

unknown 41:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

And that's the truth, right? So you start in the evolution of education. If we're gonna wait for the governments and the schooling to change, that's gonna take a really long time for them to catch up. So it's more supply and demand. So the more we educate, empower the patient to know which questions to ask, empower other dentists to get curious. And oftentimes it's not until they're really ill. They're they're really ill. Like so many dentists I've had on, it's because they've gone through their own journey of almost dying because of mercury poisoning. And uh, or it was a loved one that they had done a root canal on and they couldn't unsee what they found. And well, why wait till then? Why wait?

unknown 42:32

Right?

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Yeah, there's enough evidence out there how important airway is. I actually just called the dental office. I always call and interview them. And I'm so curious. You know, I called dental office, I'm like, oh, do you have a C B C T scan? He's like, yeah, but I only use it for when uh, you know, the root canals or um what was it, an implant, you know, just checking. I was like, well, why don't you do it for every patient? They don't check the airway with it. I mean, imagine it's an expensive machine. Why don't I use it for what it's it can do, right? If it's cool and get it educated. And so I I'm always just curious as to for you, your other colleagues, or biological, how they made the shift and where you're finding that resistance from other colleagues. Because we there's a need, right? You're like you said, you're only one. And you're only one and can only take care of so many people, but it would have a ripple effect into families to care for children, care for adults for their overall health, that if it can feel better, then it'll have a ripple effect for their entire family.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

Oh, 100%. And I think it's a science, that's for the holdback mostly, isn't it? For the research led dentists, because there's no randomized double blind control studies, but it's not going to be ethical to do these studies and who's gonna pay for the studies, right? Yes. So what we can do is the anecdotal evidence of all the patient testimonials and case studies that we see and hear you. You can't argue with that stuff. And having worked in the NHS for three years before I went straight into this holistic biological space, is that I could see the shape just to put it in perspective, that our clinic, I don't know how many patients you got, 5,000-ish, maybe between five and seven thousand.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Yeah, exactly. One clinician. That's what I always say. Takes care, my husband took care of about five thousand patients. So if we can work on dentists to switch, that has a huge ripple effect of 5,000 to 7,000 patients. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

Yeah, absolutely. And but what I notice now is being a fully biological clinic is that the level of medication that my patients on is almost minimal. You know, that tells you something, doesn't it? Like whereas when I was working in the National Health Service, they would come in with sheets this long.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Oh, yeah, that's all I see too, is a long list.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

So for patients that really take proactive health care into their own hands, practice breath work. And do you know what? I think you've got one of the most important jobs because I'll just summarize this for the podcast, because I think, you know, the breathing and the optimal deep sleep and the myofunctional therapy is the foundation of optimal recovery

Leaky Gums, Inflammation, And Systemic Disease

SPEAKER_00 45:10

regeneration. But if we're as an adult and we've not got the burden of all this dentistry and all this failed dentistry that's within our mouths, it's the gums not being tight to the teeth that causes problems, right? Like you just said, like because when I probe around root canals, the gums are open most of the time and they're leaking within the body. And we know now, even in conventional dentistry, there's no arguing that um the microbiome imbalance and the bugs that are found within tumors now in the in the digestive system is directly from the mouth. And I think it's Portimonis gingravalis, isn't it, they found in the tumors. And then they've got in Alzheimer's as well, the flax in the brain. And we know the respiratory system is directly impacted from the mouth breathing and the the bugs that go in there, and how many more people get pneumonia, and then also diabetes and all the cardiovascular disease as well. So and why is that happening? Because the gums are open. It's like leaky gut, isn't it? Which was the fancy term last like ten years ago. Now we're saying leaky gums are probably just as much important. And you get leaky gums from bad periodontal tissue connection, but also um you could say, well, a root canal that's failed and it's got bad bugs living in it and the gum's not attached to it is leaky gums, right? So that's those it those endotoxins are going into the system as well. You can have a tooth that's been removed but the body's not healed, and it's got this inflammatory cascade but still within the jawbone, that's also leaky gums, right? Because it's within the jawbone and it's leaking into the body. So I actually think that all of the inflammatory sources that come from the mouth that are due to leaky gums or incorrect healing and from dentistry that's failing. And one of one of the guys that I was speaking to um runs a clinic in Portugal, Miguel Stanley, he calls it revision dentistry now, because it's not even biological dentistry. You're literally just revising in adults all the dentistry that's not been done or is failing now. Yes, you know, and that's causing inflammation within that person. And like I said at the beginning, you don't know how much inflammation coming from the mouth is affecting the symptoms up here. So you're removing that.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

And then the root cause of you know disease, inflammation in the body. I've done where you biological age, and I always ask, I remember glycan age, I did it at test. I'm like, okay, well, what do you base it on? Inflammation in the body. So it's so important to reduce that inflammation. Now, I I feel I could talk to you for a really long time, but I I'd love to couple like case scenarios that you have that really stands out that you could share. Because

Patient Stories That Changed The Room

SPEAKER_02 47:36

I know people love stories, and you know, your cases that you're seeing and that you're seeing such a pivotal moment in their health.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

Um, there was a lady at the clinic that was testing her, she had kidney failure, and she was testing uh proteins in her urine, and she'd been under all the hostels and everything. And we I think our clinic removed um two root canal teeth and did two cavitations on her. And after the after the first round, her proteins in the urine was less, and then after the cavitation surgery, it's completely gone. No proteins in the urine. That was a huge like because that's diagnostic data that someone's been doing for two or three years. So you actually say, Well, okay, what I'm doing is pretty crazy here. I've had patients with um a just a dead tooth in the mouth that that's not even root canal, they didn't know it was a dead tooth, and it had a massive abscess around it after doing a CDCT, so you wouldn't have picked it up otherwise if you're just doing intra or bite wings, which are small x-rays, you wouldn't have seen that. Um and it was just a tooth that didn't look dead, right, from the top. No decay, no nothing. It's obviously an occlusal trauma or a younger tooth something happened, no, not even a filling in it. And it was on the lung meridian, so it's connected to the lung organ, and he had asthma and he had this anxiety like cough thing, and uh removed the tooth, put in a ceramic implant, healed, crowned on it. He has um no coughing, no anxiety attacks anymore. That's just from doing one surgery.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

Wow. Wow. See, I love sharing every dentist, has their own way they're sharing this, and that's why my goal is to have all the biological dentists who so I learn something every time, and I know everyone listening is also, and there's proof. That look the mouth first, define the right practitioner. Unfortunately, it's not all the same as someone that's gonna be as knowledgeable as you, you know, and that's why I have a lot of people that do fly. Oddest, you know, they fly, fly to you, fly all the way, you know, Dr. Dom, they fly, you know, I met Dr. uh Gandhi, and they have people flying because it is hard and it shouldn't be this hard to get this this kind of care, but unfortunately, this is how it is right now. And um and uh so yeah, go ahead, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

Basically, that's that's like standing out in my mind that I think is hilarious because they're they're like the big surgical ones. The other one was the you know, the myofunctional therapy and the tongue tie release. So a guy that's not that had sleep apnea um on a CPAP and did the myofunctional therapy, and his wife is like in wearing the functional appliances at nighttime, no more snoring, wife can sleep, they can sleep in the bed together, which is nice, right? She doesn't have to sleep in separate rooms. And then we did the tongue tie release. Immediately he could touch his toes, not been able to touch his couldn't remember the life because his hamstrings are so tight. So we've released the tongue, he could touch his toes, and he could he could breathe really deep into his sinuses and into his diaphragm, and he just you could see his whole body just come down a notch and just relax. And I was like, wow. And he's like, This is just the most incredible. I think it's might be on my Instagram somewhere. I don't know if I pinned it, but his really is. Oh, that's so good.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

I see that with people with CPAP, yeah. They how that affects their connection even with their loved one because that machine is so loud. And actually, I noticed that that brings up my son too, because of the tongue tie. We did uh chiropractic work and myofascial, and it was yeah, his left foot was just the way he walked. It changed all of that and then the pain he was getting in his foot pain. So it's all connected because of you know the tongue and and how it affects it. Vagus nerve, so yes, this is so important. Number one, like you said, yes, removing all the toxins, but starting with uh breath, the nervous system, and airway. Uh, you're doing important work, and I am so grateful to have you on. And before we're done here, I'd love if uh if there's one last thing you want to share or how people can find you if they wanted to come work with you.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

I mean, yeah, so I'm a clinical director of Wonder Wellness, which is in the UK, north of England. We do have patients fly, but it find the most local to you that has the same knowledge I have. It's always better, I think, to go to those areas. If you're wanting advice, I do online calls. I think I do like one or two a month where I have a whole day of just calls, just supporting people with their x-rays and their understanding of what's going on. And that can be booked through our website, wonder of wellness.co.uk. I run two online programs. One is called My Functional for the Kids to help them grow and develop properly, and using functional appliances to help them breathe better and hopefully not need braces. Sometimes you need to, and I'll advise across the course or expanders, sorry, anabloses. And then um I also do airway stabilization for adults, which is again my functional therapy in helping them breathe better so they can sleep deeper, so they can live a more vital life. Um, and then yeah, for me it's just really the take-home message, I guess I would say, is tongue ties or tethered oral tissues. One thing we didn't cover with the breastfeeding is lip ties matter in breastfeeding. Because tongue ties is one thing, but if the lip cannot extend over the top of the nipple, that you're gonna get air into the digestive system and you're gonna get air phasure and colic and all those things that come with it. So definitely make sure if there's any sign of a lip tie and you're having a tongue tie release as a baby, ask them to do the lip as well, the top lip, and most importantly, that's a really big take-home message. Okay. Because I've had several referrals, self-referrals from patients now where they've been to the National Health Service in the UK, they've had the tongue tie release done, but the baby's still got colic, still got air phasia. And then luckily the um IBL CLCs are the guys that do all of the breastfeeding advice and know about um tongue tie releases, have checked and found a lip tie and then referred for us to it, and then within a couple of days there's no more problems. So lip tie doesn't really have major consequences for growth development, but it does for breastfeeding. So that's really important and then just think about the phases. So if it's baby is releasing the tissues, osteopor osteopathy, craniosacral therapy, breastfeeding, good solid foods for growth and development. Child to teenager is about getting things right, expansion, myofunctional therapy, tongue tie release into the maximum genetic potential. Adults is still doing the same thing, but it's harder to do. The older we are, past 25, I would say it's harder to expand. Then you're looking into more skeletal expansion things, and then it's about deburdening the adult body once you've stabilised the airway, which is getting rid of the materials that don't work in the mouth that could cause that because basically biological dentistry is bespoke dentistry, right? You're doing dentistry, you're testing for things that work within your human body that your body's not reactive to. So removing all the stuff that it is reactive to, and then trying to look at inflammation sources and trying to deburden the body from an inflammatory point of view as well.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

Okay, I love that. That is very important information. And I am excited to share this episode with everyone. I'm always become your own advocate, get educated. And so thank you so much, Dr. Seb. I hope you know I get to see you again, probably for um maybe the file dentistry premiere.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

I hope so. Yeah, yeah, working things out, but should be.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

Okay, yeah, you should be. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 54:53

You're in it, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:54

Yes, actually. I felt um when I met that was a big draw to cons, actually. When I was invited, uh I, you know, I was all for women empowering as far as field documentary, but when they told me, here's our next documentary, I was like, oh, I have to be there because that is my big mission now is to shift the industry. And and so I, yes, I felt that my story was also important because I'm also speaking for the provider. Well, I've got to be able to make, you know, the provider has to be sustainable, right? You have to also be aware of what's affecting your nervous system. Actually, I'd love to know what you do to sustain five to seven thousand patients based. I mean, that's a lot of energy that you take on, you know, people with fear and anxiety and then pain. So you as a healer, you want to take that on for people, right? And so I'm curious what's your routine for your own mental health as a dentist?

How A Biological Dentist Avoids Burnout

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm not time um rich at the moment because it's so busy and we're getting the clinic up and running and all new clinicians to support me. And um, how I've managed it for the last three years getting this clinic up and running is knowing that I can't spend hours at the gym for my mental health and exercising, but I do something called the four-minute workout every morning, which is like a nitric oxide dump, is the other word for it, which keeps my cardiovascular system and lymphatic system moving. And it's basically squats, um uh jumping jacks, like over-the-head movements, and you you're basically getting your body to Google it, you'll find it. Zach Bush talks about it quite a lot. And I do that every morning, and then I do a superset of a compound exercise. So I'll do like a bench press or deadlift or over-the-head press, um, squats, something that just it does one muscle group, but I'll I'll superset it with another one. And so it takes me 15 minutes to exercise in the morning to make me feel good and feel like I've done something with my body, and then I'll do five to ten minutes of meditation. Um, and I will say, like, um, I've got a few little mantras that I cycle and say every single day, so words of affirmation for me, and depending on how I'm feeling. Um, and I'll in the winter time I'll do it in front of a UVB lamp, which is all vitamin D, because in the UK we don't we get six months of no vitamin D. So I'll do it in front of that and an infrared like big panel, you know, like the red light things to get because it's pitch black. So I'll do that in the and in the summer I just go outside and sit in the sun and I'll be looking at the sun and doing that in the morning. And um then I go to work and I love what I do. I think it's the most important thing. You have to love what you do in life, don't you? And I love supporting patients, I love giving this knowledge and yeah, it brings you purpose, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:43

You know the way you're treating them is very unique at this point, and uh it's so needed. So, yeah, having purpose instead of before, like you had said, early years was like, oh, for the paycheck. And how that doesn't work for people, doesn't fulfill you. So yeah, I love all everything that you're sharing. I know me too. I lived in Alaska for 16 years. So yeah, having these panels that are so important, the vitamin D and K. And um, so I'm always curious what dentists are doing because you are healers and you take on a lot. And so I, you know, but we need you. We need you around. We need you to not burn out and be important to take care of yourself first to fill your own bucket before you go heal everybody else.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

100%. And obviously the foundation is food, nutrition, diet, you know, Weston A. Price or Stephen Lynn's book, The Dental Diet, you know, just covers all of those fat, soluble vitamins, and nutrients, your sauerkrauts, your prebiotics, your probiotics. Um and then supplementation is you know, magnesium for sure. Um I use intelligence of nature biome, which is like this ancient soil that you mix it, you I I just put it in water and I drink it with each meal, and it's meant to absorb it's meant to hyper absorb hyperabsorb the minerals that you're eating.

SPEAKER_02 59:01

Oh, okay. You'll have to send me that link. I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 59:05

Yeah, that's Zach Bush's product. I love it, absolutely love it. And um, and then I'll I've been on this journey of root cause protocol. Have you heard of that one?

SPEAKER_03 59:15

No.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

It's like balancing your minerals within your system and copper, iron, um, magnesium, sodium, potassium. So I've done a lot of blood tests and functional work around that. Basically, you just have to treat your body like a well-tuned car that can only accept, you know, especially when you're running at this much pace and putting this much energy into supporting people. So, and I found that my aura ring, my I've got very I've got quite high high HRV, which is heart rate variability anyway. I think my average is about 80. But um, since I've been doing this root cause protocol and balancing my minerals within my system, my HRV's jumped up 10 points. It's in its 90s now. Okay. So it gives me more functional energy, more focus. And I've been eating things like spleen from animals because it's higher in copper, because my copper was really low. So I'm trying to balance the minerals out because basically what minerals do in the body is help your cells communicate. So it's like the electrolysis within water if the minerals are out of balance. You're not making signals pass to the right places effectively. So I've been doing that for three months, it's been really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:18

Wow, that's great. Yeah, I'm a big advocate to the biomarkers. I get my labs done every six months and seeing where I'm at. And it's been fun to see where, oh, I'm getting better. Like I've been taking nitric oxide too, and and doing the hyperbare oxygen and seeing how these levels work and same with the minerals, you know. I've I've been checking those too and using peptides as well to help with cellular health, uh, which I've been really, you know, I'm my own science project.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

Yeah, exactly. I think most of the thoughts aren't we related to this.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:47

Yeah, but give me the vitality. I have more energy than I ever did a decade ago, you know, and uh I I feel great. And so there is something to it when you start uh the biomarkers and looking at your overall health and doing the work. It's instead of uh being daunting, oh, I have to work out, I have this. No, I get to, and I get to take care of this temple of mine because then I could provide to others and heal others and have the energy to do that. So thank you so much for being on today. Uh you're incredible. I'm deeply honored, and I can't wait to share all your knowledge.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:22

Oh, thank you for doing what you're doing. And it was an honor to be here myself. So I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:27

Thank you. Well, thank you for listening today on Not Alone. Uh today I'm giving you a lot of education because I want to empower you with the power of knowledge. So you can create so you can make the right decision as a patient, as a healer yourself, if you're a practitioner, start educating yourself about biological dentistry, root cause, because the mouth is definitely the first place I think we need to look at when it comes to symptoms in our bodies and overall health. So thank you for listening. Please like, subscribe, and share with your loved ones.