Jan. 14, 2026

EP 44: Can Anger Be a Force for Good? Tyler Copenhaver Heath Says Yes

Tyler Copenhaver Heath turned a childhood of foster care, a father in prison, and societal labels into a life of service, entrepreneurship, and storytelling. He shows how adversity can forge the strengths that drive impact and why sharing your work isn’t bragging, it’s multiplying good.

In this conversation, Tyler explores using visibility to support children’s homes, animal shelters, and global programs, turning personal challenges into practical tools for presence, mindfulness, and grounded routines. 

He shares the pivot from physical volunteering to media, the backstory behind Content for Good, and building a ranch that blends animal refuge, media education, and career pathways for foster youth.

If you’re ready to rethink success, courage, and how your story can change someone’s tomorrow, listen, share, and leave a review to help more people find these insights.

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00:00 - Meet Tyler And The Mission

04:50 - Childhood, Stigma And Early Work Ethic

09:40 - Fear Of Speaking And Codes Of Silence

15:20 - Humility, Visibility And Doing Good Publicly

22:00 - Anger As Fuel And Redefining Success

27:40 - Faith, Service And The Back Injury Pivot

34:20 - Bullying, Adversity And Building Resilience

41:00 - Presence, Grief And Daily Grounding

47:00 - Content For Good And Global Heroes

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Welcome back to Not Alone.

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Today's guest is the most humble man that I ever met.

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He would never like to say that he's a successful entrepreneur.

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He once owned a business and never even said he was the owner.

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But this is why I love podcasting and having these type of guests, because I do feel they need to be in front of the camera.

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Because his story of stepping into foster home, growing up with a dad in prison but persevered through all these adversities.

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And that anger, how he used anger to change systems.

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And that's where we can pivot and use anger to good.

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You get to choose your own story.

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Tyler Yuria Copenhaver Heath is my guest today.

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And he chose, even though he was told you're not smart, to pick the hardest degree out there as a biochemist.

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And this is where it's going to inspire you.

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He wants to inspire the underdog and learn how he did that, how he persevered from poverty to successful entrepreneur to owning the studio, back lot studio here.

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He's been mentoring me in front of the camera.

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So, and he's a dear friend.

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And thank you for taking the time today to be my guest.

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Oh, it's such an honor.

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And thanks, thank you so much for the intro.

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I was getting goosebumps a little bit.

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I appreciate the nice words.

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Yes.

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Um, always love our conversation, so really looking forward to being here today.

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I know, I know.

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We always, after I podcast, we always can talk forever.

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So I I love that I was like, I need you on my podcast because you have quite the story, and I know you are incredibly humble.

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I mean, even when you talk to me, you kind of, when I first met you, you you barely shared some of your successes and who you truly are.

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But I know from my heart, when I was kind of deciding where I'm gonna continue my podcast, how I'm gonna, you know, become a better speaker in front of the camera, there was something in me that I knew it was you.

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And I didn't know all your accolades, I didn't know anything, but I just knew that feeling that I had.

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It was almost like a remembrance when I met you.

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I even said, hey, you look familiar.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm still trying to figure that one out.

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And I think it was just that.

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It was just, uh I'm such a I I've learned that as a gift.

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I'm really attuned to energies.

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And I think it was a heart coherence.

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It was something like it was a yes, this is who I'm supposed to work with.

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And you have been that person.

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You've really helped me uh become more comfortable in front of the camera, communicating, and and and you really believe in what I'm trying to do as well with this podcast, which ultimately is sometimes I feel they like there's shame when you show that you're doing some good things, right?

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They're like, oh, that's how I thought about social media for a really long time.

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Yeah.

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I was like, oh, I'm done with social media, and you shouldn't be posting that you're helping the poor, or you shouldn't be help showing all this.

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But then at the same time, once I started uh becoming more, you know, prevalent on social media because of my book, I realized I could reach so many more people.

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Yeah, I can help so many people.

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So I shifted how I looked at it, and I shifted because God really wanted me to open this podcast to start.

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It's been a year now.

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It's been a year since He planted that seed because I had so many people that would never be in front of the camera sharing these stories with me.

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And I thought we we need to share more around so people are not feeling alone or how from you, you know, spending some time in foster care, living in poverty, having a father that is in prison, and I don't know much about your mother and her role in your life.

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But how did that shape you?

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You know, starting out from childhood into where you are now as a successful entrepreneur, you know, you could have easily, you know, what's the uh stat that you said about uh kids that are born with a parent in prison?

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Just like 90%, like your parent.

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And it repeats itself.

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Like if your parent was in prison, 90% chance you're going to.

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You're going to.

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So it might even be higher than that.

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I can't remember off the top of my head.

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I have used it before, but yeah, it's crazy.

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So tell us a little bit, yeah, yeah, your upbringing about the foster care experience and how that felt when you're in foster care.

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There's so much there, and like um, I was talking to a friend of mine at the gym this morning, and it's like, if you're not embarrassed of your 20-year-old self, you haven't grown in life, right?

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And so um, like I like think to the person I was as a kid, and like I appreciate the kind-heartedness in the work ethic that I've always had, but um, there's a certain, and this is where I really like to be helpful in a lot of ways.

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Like, God is putting me where I'm supposed to be, you know, it's like evil has no problem using this tool.

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Like, more good people need to use it, right?

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And I went through the same process that most people do trying to utilize that, right?

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It's like, but I think like, and you analyze yourself, you know, after 44 years or whatever, I'm like, why was I so afraid of the camera?

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Why was I so afraid of talking?

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And it's like, but when you grow up and you're told, you know, by your parents that, like, hey, we're not allowed to say where we're moving tomorrow, we're not allowed to talk about this thing.

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You watch your dad your whole life speaking code over the telephone, you know, it's like, and you're having you have to be really careful about telephone conversations and things like that.

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It's like, no wonder I was afraid of it, you know.

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And so communication wasn't safe.

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Exactly.

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Like, you know, the truth, the truth wasn't safe.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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And so it's like, um, and like I was, you know, kind of lost as a kid, you know.

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I've I I always had a work ethic.

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I'm lucky for that.

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I started working when I was 13 years old.

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I worked for the manager of our apartment complex.

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Um, and then like I but I didn't care about school, you know, and um, and then I got a bad rap because of my father being in prison.

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My mom also was a big big partier, um, had a horrible boyfriend, um, and they would smoke cigarettes nonstop.

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So when I went to school, I smelled like smoke.

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And everybody assumed that I was a smoker.

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I've still never had a cigarette in my entire life, but I got prejudged quickly, right?

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And so then I wasn't treated well in school.

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I'm sure that didn't help me want to like try to do better, you know.

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And it's like, but there was a long period of time in my life where I was like, yeah, they're right, you know, I'm a shithead.

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That's what I'm gonna be in life.

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And I would love to have the magic ticket that turned it all around for me because I narrowly avoided being that stat.

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You know, it was really close.

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Um, and uh, but everything that I've been given in life, even the bad stuff, has all led to like this moment now, right?

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I needed every part of it, and especially the bad stuff, you know.

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You mentioned the foster care system.

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I didn't spend a long amount of time there, but I spent just enough time to feel that heart, you know, uh, so to speak, that that had me volunteering, you know, at the children's home.

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And it was actually the children's home volunteering there for five years in the animal shelter that led me to the camera, you know, because God was telling me that I need you to do more.

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And I was telling everybody, like, I wouldn't even tell my girlfriend at the time that I was volunteering at the children's home.

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Didn't tell people I was volunteering at the animal shelter.

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I was trying to be this humble person, you know.

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Yeah, well, why do you think that?

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Was there some like you felt that I think the world you're trying to be boastful if you you talk about it, or what did you what I think this is where Christianity is wrong, you know, and maybe the preachings of Christianity are wrong to some extent.

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And then I also think that there's I think that it's evil's presence telling people good to be humble.

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Oh my gosh, I'm I got goosebumps right now.

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I have I don't want to interrupt you, but I literally was a church and they were talking about social media and posting when you're doing good thing and don't post.

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And of course I take offense because that's what I do.

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Yeah, that but I use it for good.

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And you're right, they they make it look at like that's a sin.

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You shouldn't be.

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I mean, I get it, you should do internal work and prayer and whatnot.

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But what if I showed me praying with my son?

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Yeah, maybe I could inspire another parent to do that with their children.

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You're dead right, right?

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And and that's the way I look at it.

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So I love that you mentioned that.

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That I think sometimes, yeah, religion, they kind of shame that.

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Because I literally sat in church, I was like, Oh, I didn't even my son, who's 10 years old, he's like, Oh, I didn't really like that.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, Yeah, I didn't either.

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It's selfish, actually.

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There's been so many moments in my life, you know, drawing to my mind right now at the top of my mind, I remember I went to one of my employees' weddings, right?

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And I was very um quiet about my company.

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If you asked about where I worked, I'd just tell you I worked there.

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I never told you I own the place and you know, things like that.

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And um, and I think it's because I always admired that little old person on the far corner of the world that was doing all this good and you never heard about until they passed, you know, it's like, but like just one this just one instance.

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But I'm at this wedding of one of my employees, and the guy's grandpa turns behind me or pre- and he goes, Hey, how do you know my grandson?

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And I'm like, Um, oh, I work with him.

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He's the most incredible worker.

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He has such a good work ethic and great personality.

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And it's like he thought I was a coworker, right?

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Because I wouldn't say I own the business.

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And now I get sad to this day.

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I should have told grandpa that I own the company.

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Because how much more would that have meant to grandpa that I said that as the owner instead of a co-worker?

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Oh my gosh.

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Right?

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I guess goosebumps saying it because that was being selfish.

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Here I think I'm being humble, I'm being selfish, you know.

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Or I've met some of the biggest founders of charities in the world.

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They don't want to post on social media, you know, and I have to tell them I'm like, what's more important, you know?

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You and what people are gonna think of you because you make this post online, or you save a couple more kids in the world.

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Yeah, see it more in God's way, right?

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Like if you're doing it with your heart and you're trying to do good, yeah, then the intent is out there.

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It's not for like, oh, I want to make like for you, you are the successful entrepreneur, you want to make more, you want to make even more money because then you can change the system.

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Like you said, it's changing the system of foster care or help bullied kids.

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Or and sharing your story today can inspire someone that was raised in poverty and and or being told they were stupid, and you end up getting the you know, the hardest and successful education, and saying you you chose to change all of that, you know.

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You know, and a lot of that comes from, okay, so I kept asking, where are the I wasn't Mark Zuckerberg, right?

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I didn't get the chance, okay.

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You want uh Tyler, you want a McDonald's or you want to go to Harvard?

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You know, it's like which one do you want?

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That was how am I supposed to look up to Mark Zuckerberg, you know, when that's his options.

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And then so many of the big people that make it, they have options like that.

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So where's the where's the person for me to look up to?

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And it came down to like I looked at the stat, well, 90% of them aren't making it, and the 10% are that they're good-hearted people that are too humble to say that they've made it, right?

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And then there's no trail for me to follow, right?

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That's why people that make it have to talk about it.

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And I'm not talking when I'm talking charity too, I'm not talking if you give somebody 20 bucks on the street, you should film that.

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No, but it's selfish if you go five years to the children's home where you absolutely believe in what they're doing.

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I mean, out there at uh Sunshine Anchors, you donate your furniture.

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Yeah, you donate your furniture and that funds the home, you know.

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Shame on me for never saying anything because how many people would be donating their furniture there if they knew about it?

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How many friends would have wanted to come with me?

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How many people would have brought awareness to the foundation?

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You know, it's like if you're gonna do one act of charity, keep it quiet.

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If you're passionate about an organization, it is selfish not to bring it out in the world.

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Yeah.

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And your business that matter too.

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It's like you want to take care of your employees, you want to bring yourself more success, you have to be on the camera.

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And this was a long period of time trying to figure this out.

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And what I came down to is like, you know what?

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Evil has no problem using the camera.

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Why are we teaching good to be humble?

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Yes, yeah, and I I still wonder like what was that guilt?

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I know you said it wasn't safe to communicate, but do you think also because you were becoming successful, you knew so many maybe uh people that you knew didn't.

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So was there a guilt that you were successful now of that you've made it?

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Or I think there's always that imposter syndrome, and then like when do you ever feel like you made it?

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You know, I don't remember, I remember I wanted my success so bad, you know, because everybody counted me out.

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Like there wasn't a single person that believed in me, you know.

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It's like, and then I got mad about it, you know, and I think that's okay.

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You know, I got mad that the the head of the uh school growing up told me I was stupid, I'd never amount to anything.

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I'd be just like my dad.

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I got mad about that finally, and then that was what caused me to make such great leaps in my life, you know.

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But then when I finally had something that people saw that was like, oh, that's amazing.

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Look at you.

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You're like doing something awesome.

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You could like I even have a hard time calling the word success now because what is success?

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When is success, you know?

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But it's like I almost wanted to get hit by a bus in that moment.

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I was so afraid of losing what I finally worked so hard to get.

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I was like, okay, if I disappeared that day, you know, it's like, and so that was where a transition came in my mind too, where success became less for me and proving I'm wrong, and came more about like when you have success, it allows you to change things, right?

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Yes, it's like that's where the the change really came from.

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Um, is like facing that fear, and you know, like I could go into the story more, but it's like God put me in this path and he didn't give me any choice on it, right?

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You know, like I had like I fought God for years over this, you know.

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I was like, no.

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How did you find God, by the way?

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How do you if we backtrack, like how did you find faith?

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Like when did he come into your life and guide you?

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Or was he always kind of?

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It's always been somewhat of a presence of mine in my life.

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You know, it's like I was raised Baptist, um, and then uh parents are Christians, you know, and so like parents are wacky too, don't get me wrong.

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But you know, it's like I try to look at the good things in life, and the you know, I take away the things that I think you can take from people, right?

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Like my parents, like uh incredible hearted people.

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Um, you know, like they're still around.

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I don't want to say anything bad about them, you know, whatsoever, because I love them.

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They're good hearted people.

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They shape who you are today.

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Sure.

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They made a ton of mistakes and they probably shouldn't have had kids, right?

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And so the Yeah, but you wouldn't be here.

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I wouldn't be here, you know, and I learned from their mistakes too, you know.

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And so I got my love of animals from my mom.

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I'm sure some of those deep-seated beliefs were, you know, from them too, imprinted.

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And then I've you know had a closer relationship.

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You know, I do my boxing workout in the morning and then I lift weights and then I stretch and I pray every morning, you know.

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I love that.

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Yeah, you say you don't you don't drink, you uh no caffeine, and you're like I my my biggest guilty pleasure is chocolate cake, you know.

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And so um, other than that, I'm pretty uh uh focused on what I want to accomplish.

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But yeah, it's a big part of my life, and like I feel myself I've rebelled against, you know, like what I think is right and what I'm feeling, you know, destined to do.

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And so like even at the children's shelter, the children's shelter, I lifted furniture.

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That's all they had for me to do on Saturdays, right?

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And the animal shelter, I lifted huge dogs while they were asleep in the uh in the clinic, you know, and so while they were asleep from neutering surgery, and um, so I used my body, right?

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And I wouldn't tell anybody about it, you know, and then I kept feeling compelled.

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It's just like, this is not what I want you to do.

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You have so many more talents than using your physical body, but I kept using my physical body to give, right?

00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.879
Okay, and then one day I'm out at the children's home.

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Um, and they used to always save the biggest, heaviest furniture for me.

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I went to lift uh uh piece of furniture and it broke my back.

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Oh wow.

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And that took about took everything out of me that I loved.

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I used to train 27 times a week, you know.

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It's like if they took that away, I had another medical issue.

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I was rebelling against that one still, and I had another medical issue, and then I was like finally, okay, right?

00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:32.879
It was like what's listening, yeah.

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Saw a documentary on bullied kids, broke my heart.

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I'm lucky enough to have a fair amount of empathy and a fair amount of anger, you know, and so I finally like risked something I was so afraid of, which by the way, I want to add here if I could.

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It's like there's two ways to know if you're gonna really grow in life.

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Is if your heart is in the right place and you fear it.

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Because if those two, like you check those two boxes, you have to do whatever that thing is.

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So, in that moment, for me, it was starting a podcast for bullied kids.

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So it's my mixed martial arts training partner.

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Um, and we would basically interview people that had been bullied that became successful adults to show kids there was light at the end of the tunnel.

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And that changed my life so much.

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Yeah.

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We ended up purchasing the studio I used to record in.

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Um, I ended up seeing the value from a business and a good standpoint because more good voices need to be in the world saying good things.

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And I like, I love supporting people.

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I feel that's like my place in life.

00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:30.720
Yeah, because you do help a lot of people.

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I do help a lot of people a lot because you have a, you know, the the the marketing sense, the business sense, see, you know, and because you like you said, building your businesses, you made all the mistakes along the way.

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So you're helping, you know, other entrepreneurs not to make those mistakes, right?

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And uh, but you said sometimes you get hurt by that, right?

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Because it's a lot of voluntary time uh that you put in, and and then you feel you're not recognized for what you've given them, you know.

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It it's tough, even giving, you know, it's like I've tried so many different ways to help be helpful, you know.

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It's like uh started a technology company that they still have, it's called Glaive.

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And the idea is it lower levels the playing field for small businesses, people like myself that had no rich uncle teaching them, you know, the the greater parts of business, you know, that sort of stuff.

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Um, and then like by extension, we opened the studio to market that business.

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But the studio became just such this like tool for good, you know, good voices like yours.

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And it's like I went, I that's why I kind of told some of my story in getting to it, is because a lot of the greatest people, and I'm not saying that um uh every good person like struggles with it.

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There's good people that don't struggle with this, but I find there's a fair amount of good people that really struggle with this, and it's um it's important for them to put their messaging out in the world.

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You know, it's like that humble thing, right?

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It's like I've sat down with amazing people like you.

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They're like, uh I don't know if it should be my voice.

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And maybe this isn't like me being humble and you know, all these different things.

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I've sat down with professional football players that don't think they're good enough, you know, to have uh a podcast.

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You know, it's like I've sat down with, you know, like heads of charities, you know, it's like all kinds of amazing people that fear the same thing.

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Yes.

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And it, but I same way for me, I'm like, oh, do I continue or do I not?

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You know, but I really do love it.

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And I'm like, these stories are so important.

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And I I have to change the way I I see it.

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It's not about the numbers, you know, of it all the time.

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It's what if I reach one person to change their perspective, and I really inspired by they really got inspired by one episode that I they listened to.

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And that's that's a gift.

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It's so, you know, it's like I struggle with it too.

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You know, it's like my account got really diminished um when I uh when I started talking about foster care.

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It's like I was if I put out the stat that it's like, um, now I'm forgetting it a little bit, but it's it's something like 80% of the people on death row in California are from the foster care system.

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And 60% of people in the foster care system um are sex trafficked.

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That's crazy.

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And I started bringing that up online, and I was my accounts were diminished because of it.

00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.799
So to your point, I spent all this time, you know, growing audience and stuff like that.

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Now they don't see most of what I put out.

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Because as a censorship, you know.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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And I've got to remind myself, it's like, do you know how many times I've had somebody in my DMs say, because of something you said last week is the real reason I'm still on this planet.

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And you have to say, because right now I listen to some of your bullying podcasts.

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And it's still there.

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People can still find it.

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You never know.

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You're still helping.

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And that's the way I see it.

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This could be years down the road, you know, as long as Spotify and Apple, you know, podcast stays live, it's gonna be there.

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It's evergreen.

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Yeah.

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And kindness and helping and like caring, those are never gonna go away.

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At least I don't want to live in society that they do, right?

00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:51.119
I actually think they're only growing.

00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:53.519
I think it's getting cool to be kind, and I love that.

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Yeah, I love that too.

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And I think it is important to know that and to change the system.

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But also the bullying, I really liked um you brought the awareness only because it touched my heart.

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You know, my son, I could see him being bullied.

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And and I think a lot of it, I don't know, after guess and guess that you've had, do you find it that it was a lot of their self-worth, you know, as a young child and the way that their thoughts about themselves?

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What's so amazing is it turns out to be their superpower.

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Usually what they were picked on as a kid turned out to be that thing that made them amazing when they grew up.

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And like I always try to bring it home to people too when we start that show.

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So I'll choose a uh celebrity that you would have never thought in a million years was bullied.

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So I'll tell the story, and then Cliff always gets it wrong unless he cheats and look it up my notes.

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Like, who do you think this was?

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And I'll tell this bullying story, and then he'll be like, whoever.

00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.240
But a lot of times it's Tom Cruise or Lady Lady Gaga or Chris Rock.

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It's like those people all, because of being bullied as kids, are why they're superstars now.

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And it came to this conclusion for me.

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It's like, these are the most the ability to overcome adversity is the key indicator of success.

00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:05.279
Hands down, there's no bigger one, right?

00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.839
Doesn't matter what that adversity is, really, either.

00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.880
And so bullying is a form of adversity that they're overcoming.

00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.440
So the problem is we need the people overcoming adversity to make it.

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You know, there's a huge Arizona is the teen suicide capital of the country.

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Wow.

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We don't talk about that on the podcast, but what what we're really trying to do is avoid people hurting themselves, right?

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Because these are the most amazing people in the world that grow up to do the amazing things.

00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:30.079
Yeah.

00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:39.519
So we're not just helping a good bullied kid, we're probably helping the next heart surgeon that saves, you know, like, I don't know, like some sort of maser issue that's going on with hearts, you know.

00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:45.359
So how do we keep them from spiraling down to that those thoughts?

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And I think a lot of it is stem into their thoughts that spiral, you know, what those limiting beliefs that maybe somebody has told them and they replay that, they replay that and start believing it.

00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:19.920
So if we can start shifting, helping them, especially youth, you know, going into schools and start mindfulness, yeah, you know, and these tools to be mindful and to become aware of their thoughts and how diverse, you know, if you were raised with a father that wasn't around, or you know, just even my son last night, you know, he's like, Oh, I miss dad.

00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:22.400
And and and he but he remembered it, it was interesting.

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He remembered some things dad would do, and I was like, Oh, he remembers that.

00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:27.920
Like he was pretty young, you know.

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Yeah, and it's still there and it's still spiraling in his mind.

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And I was like, Well, that's I need to work a bit with him on that.

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And so I do feel like it's be so important in school programs, or I I've been trying to get him into uh jujitsu, and because I know that can empower them to feel that strength, that confidence, and I think that's really important for kids.

00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:56.079
It's so crazy because it's like when you set out to help with something, you actually learn so much about yourself.

00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.680
It's amazing how much like you set out to do this podcast, how much has it helped you?

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Oh, every time I have a guest on, yeah, I was like, oh, there was a message for me.

00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:15.279
Yeah, you know, there was a mess where I learned so much about people and adversity, and a lot of it, I actually what I've learned, because I'm curious in nature about the body and how it works and the mind.

00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.079
And of course, after my husband died by suicide, I got so curious.

00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.480
I'm like, okay, how come I didn't fall?

00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.200
Yeah, he did, and how come I couldn't reach him?

00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:28.319
You know, and and there's some people I can really reach, but sometimes you can't.

00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:33.279
No matter what I said, no matter what I did, I couldn't reach him.

00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:33.759
Why?

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:42.079
So I got really curious, and and that that is I have kind of lost my train of thought now, but what did you ask?

00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:51.440
No, I like the point was it's like so by doing by thinking you're gonna go out and help people, yes, you actually help yourself, and it's amazing how much you learn.

00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:53.200
Oh my god, oh yes, I learned so much.

00:24:53.359 --> 00:25:06.720
Like just on this podcast alone, I learned actually that humans, yeah, the ego mind, we we focus so much on the fears, the the the shame, the guilt, the past, and then the the future.

00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:15.119
Yeah, like but I remember when my husband passed, I said, okay, I can't change what just happened, but now I gotta live in the now.

00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.279
And I know my kids can't lose their mom now.

00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.920
Yeah, they can't be without any parents.

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So I'm gonna choose to focus on now.

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What do I need to do today?

00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:33.599
You know, and I just focus on a every day because I couldn't I couldn't look far beyond another day because it was so overwhelming.

00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:34.400
What am I gonna do?

00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:35.119
What's gonna happen?

00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.200
What are that what's gonna happen with our house, our business?

00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:40.079
And it just spiraled into overwhelmingness.

00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:41.599
So I said, okay, what's more important?

00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:48.720
I literally would put a list of like importance that day, and a lot of it was sitting with my kids in the emotions.

00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:53.200
I only had the capacity to be there for my kids.

00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:59.200
And then when they were back at school, it was like, okay, I utilize that time to do all the logistics that I had to do.

00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:02.319
But ultimately it was just presence, you know.

00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.359
Even now, my circle, you know, of friends.

00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.519
I have I know so many people.

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:15.519
But the people that I spend time with, I I have a small circle because I want to it it takes a lot of energy and I'm still there.

00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:23.200
You know, God is calling me to do this and calling me to, you know, uh write these books and uh start a coaching program.

00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:28.559
Like, so that takes a lot of my time, and ultimately then I need to be still present for my kids, right?

00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:29.920
That's what's tough too.

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.200
It's like, you know, um your circle is so important, you know.

00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.200
It's like, and your circle can be changing sometimes, you know.

00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:43.680
It's like I have a difficult time these days finding a real close circle because not very many people think like I do, I realize.

00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.880
Oh, yes, you know, it's like yes, you feel like I'll cast it.

00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:48.559
That's how I feel sometimes, you know.

00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:55.039
But that's why I love talking with you because we feel like-minded and we get really passionate about you know these kind of topics, you know.

00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:59.359
You have to strive for success because you can't help somebody if you can't help yourself, right?

00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:09.759
You know, but at the same time, it's tough to find, and I'm blessed because we do the docuseries where we traveled to Cambodia and we're working on finding heroes throughout the world.

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:11.519
Yeah, tell us about this a little bit.

00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.680
You showed me a little trailer yesterday and I was blown away.

00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:21.119
Yeah, like we have a um a 501c, it's called Content for Good, and Content for Good stroke uh focuses on a couple of initiatives.

00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.559
What's great is everything we produce here is like good content.

00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.160
We don't have anybody coming in trying to produce a Nazi mod podcast.

00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.880
You know, it's like people like you that want to help people, right?

00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:36.720
But we also have a charity that specifically goes out and like we use the camera to help the world, right?

00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.759
And so we went over to uh um Cambodia.

00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:44.960
There's an amazing guy, um, and uh he's actually a my Michael Jordan in life.

00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:54.319
I read an article about him probably 10 years ago in the back of a magazine or something, and it basically talked about this man that um was a high school dropout, right?

00:27:54.400 --> 00:28:02.880
And so that like was felt to me like, okay, here's a person I can understand because I was nearly a high school dropout, right?

00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.039
And uh, and then he works his way up, so he had a work ethic, so I really saw that.

00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:14.160
He works his way up to President Fox films, and uh he does X-Men, Titanic, Braveheart, and all these mega blockbuster films.

00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.480
And then he goes over to Cambodia.

00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:23.039
Um, it's a lot, there's a lot more to it, I'm paraphrasing, but he goes over to Cambodia, he sees these kids dying in a trash dump.

00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.279
And he's like, I gotta do something about this.

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:33.119
So he ends up selling his mansion, his cars, everything he owns, and now he's got 1,700 kids over there that he takes care of their families, he takes care of their education.

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.799
He's got kids in college now.

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.519
He is the most amazing man I ever met in my life.

00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:44.240
When you go to meet your Michael Jordan life, you're like, Tyler, you better settle down because like you don't want to get, you know, too much or whatever.

00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:51.039
And so I go over there, and Scott Neeson is that much more of a human being than I could ever thought possible, right?

00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:56.240
And so, like, showcasing those stories through the camera has become insanely important to me.

00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.480
Um, I feel like he probably wasn't showcasing himself to me that that much, right?

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.920
Yeah, no, it look at his story and nobody's heard of him, right?

00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:07.039
Yeah, I had never before you told me, you know.

00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:22.240
And so, like, I was lucky that we spent two different Januaries going over there, and you have to deal with that's the thing, is like in the foster co care home, you know, the the animal shelter, you know, visiting Scott, you know, these things, it's like I only have to deal with the sadness for a couple hours or a month, you know.

00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.519
These people deal because when you help with something, there's sadness to it.

00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.519
There's hard things to it, right?

00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:34.799
You got kids in Cambodia that used to be dying in a trash dump of starvation and getting hit by trucks and falling through, you know, and getting crushed.

00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.359
You know, it's like they deal with that over there, you know.

00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.319
And it's like I was lucky it realigned importance to me.

00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:45.440
When I would come back every January after that trip, it was like, Tyler, I know why you're working.

00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.200
I know why you're still working, right?

00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:49.599
Because you have to support people like this in the world.

00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:54.720
You have to make even more success so you can fund more resources and operations like you're doing now, you know.

00:29:54.799 --> 00:30:05.200
It's like, but I think a lot of people get lost in our, you know, the marketing world spends billions of dollars getting us to be unhappy about what shit we can't buy, right?

00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:05.519
Yes.

00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.599
It's like it's a big game of monopoly.

00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.559
And like, even me, like last year when I didn't go to J uh Cambodia, I'm like, what is wrong with me?

00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.160
You know, why am I struggling this year?

00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.759
And I finally was realized it's like, Tyler, you didn't realign importance.

00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.480
You didn't remind yourself that there's something more important than collecting a new car, a new house.

00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.000
You know, it's like, don't get me wrong, like I don't, I'm not a hippie either.

00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:26.880
I don't want to starve.

00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.720
I want to be able to start my truck, you know.

00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.000
Like, I want these things in life.

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.240
Without guilt, you know, you can have those things.

00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:33.200
You can have both.

00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:33.680
Yes, yes.

00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.759
You know, I get a lot of hate because one of the things I'll say, I get a lot of hate for a lot of what I say.

00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:44.640
And like, uh, and maybe it's just because people don't want to hear it, but it's like if you have a Ferrari and you've never done anything for the world, shame on you, right?

00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:45.519
Uh yes, yes.

00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.599
I started my first business in a dirt lot with no electricity and no running water.

00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.039
If you want to say self-made, that's pretty close, right?

00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:57.279
You know, it's like four thousand dollars that I had in savings, you know, to build the business.

00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.200
You know, it's like I still don't consider myself self-made because I grew up in this country.

00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:05.680
This country allows me to work hard, you know, and get whatever I want in life, you know?

00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:11.920
It's like, and so to say you're you've made it all yourself and you don't know anything to anybody, it's like, no.

00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:16.400
And you know, honestly, most of the stories you look at, they had some sort of advantage too.

00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:17.039
That's true.

00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:24.799
There's not many like mine where it's nothing, and then I get selfish and it's like, okay, maybe, you know, but it's like most of them came from some money, a big break, you know.

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:26.960
It's like if there's they're still not happy though.

00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:34.000
No, I've worked for many, many, I worked on a private jet for many years, and I saw you'd think, okay, I'm working on this private jet.

00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.920
They have private jets, they have helicopters landing to grab them from, you know, yeah.

00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.640
It was such a um a different caliber of you've made it.

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:47.119
But there was still times that I was like, wow, I saw so much sadness.

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.519
Like, even though in our, you know, growing up, you're like, ooh, this is happiness.

00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:52.480
This is it.

00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:58.400
But I learned early on in my early 20s that whoa, this is not happiness.

00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:00.079
Yeah, we want a comfortable life.

00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.960
I am so grateful for having a home, my car, my kids going to this wonderful private school.

00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:05.519
Yeah.

00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:12.240
So grateful that I can afford doing that, even afford doing this podcast here in a studio instead of my home, right?

00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:20.160
Uh there's value, but it's because but what I'm using it for, yeah, you know, and I love that you're saying that.

00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.200
Yes, I have these wonderful friends too.

00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.240
They they uh they uh give so much.

00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:30.880
Yeah, they they have a lot, yeah, but they give so much as well.

00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:38.559
And the more I I think God gifted them, you know, wealth because they he knew he they'd use it for good.

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.640
That's the people I try to find, you know.

00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.759
And like I went over to Nigeria one time to help with a cause over there, and I used to be really quiet.

00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:47.519
I wouldn't tell anybody I was doing anything.

00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:53.119
And uh, member of my board of directors in my first company makes like eight million dollars a year or something like that.

00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.400
And he comes up to me, and this was another thing that turned a corner for me, is like, so he makes eight million dollars a year.

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:05.440
He happens to hear that I was just in Nigeria and he goes, Tyler, you know, I really wish you'd tell me about these things that you do because I'd love to help.

00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:11.279
And that I felt selfish in that moment too, because Tyler can do so much with his resources and his body and things like that.

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:16.799
But his friend that has eight million dollars and all like he's connected to mega wealth, how much good can they do?

00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:20.240
And the answer is a lot of them want to do something, but they're like me.

00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:21.440
They don't want it wasted, yeah.

00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:28.799
It's like, and so that's why I started focusing on media because then I can show you like, look, here is a person who's doing good in the world.

00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.240
He's not paying himself a million dollars a year as the head of this company.

00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.599
He's in the dirt daily, he has every single one of those kids' names uh um memorized.

00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.799
He calls himself the most uh blessed man in the world because he's rolling in the dirt, you know, helping kids.

00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:44.960
You know, it's like that is a man to support.

00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.079
And that's why I like to film that man so I can show you too.

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.480
So my friend that makes eight million dollars can say, okay, maybe there's a cause worth putting some money into.

00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:54.400
Yeah, and you know where it's going.

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:54.640
Yeah.

00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.519
And I love what's I know you've shared with me your next project, like what you'd hope to open up.

00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:12.320
And I don't know if you want to share that, but I know you've where you teach kids how to create movies and documentary and and uh it I'll I'll and it's funny, like I'm such a quiet builder, you know.

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.000
It's like I'm always been afraid to tell anybody like my lofty aspirations, you know.

00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:16.960
Yeah, that's true.

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.159
And you can keep it for yourself.

00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:18.960
So whatever feels like.

00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.519
I decided this one's gonna be different because it's too important.

00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:26.320
And so I'm actually like, I I even like it's gonna be a map that's hung on the wall soon enough.

00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.760
But um, while when I was in college, my undergrad was biochemistry.

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.280
I invented a product.

00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.920
Um, and that was almost my first business.

00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.159
Uh it was a sleep aid, right?

00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:37.760
I actually did that too.

00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.480
We had a different company, we sold that company years ago.

00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.559
Um, this was different, a different product.

00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.400
I actually never went to market with it.

00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:48.880
Um, so I thought someday that this will be my like retirement business.

00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:56.239
And as my life, and this is so there's a great speech by Steve Jobs, and he basically talks about connecting the dots in life.

00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:58.400
I didn't love everything about Steve Jobs, by the way.

00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.320
It's like, like I said, you take things from people, like horrible human being.

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.000
Never helped anybody, charity, didn't want to take care of his daughter, you know, things like that.

00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.320
Great businessman, great business stuff, right?

00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.360
So connecting the dots, and I think about dots in my own life.

00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.199
It's like spending time at the foster uh shelter, right?

00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:33.679
Um, going to the animal shelter and uh volunteering, having huge love for kids and animals, developing this product, working as a bartender that uh um in college that worked at a banquet facility, you know, it's like um uh having a degree in biochemistry, working in media and film and that sort of stuff.

00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:38.960
It's like I'm like thinking about how all these things can my life can go together, and eventually I will build a ranch.

00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.840
And the ranch will be a for-profit company because I actually don't truly believe in charity.

00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:48.320
I believe in for-profit companies that happen to do good because they don't want to beg money, right?

00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:58.559
And so basically, we'd build the ranch, it would have an animal refuge, it would have a place for age-out foster kids because it's a really difficult situation where kids turn 18 and they get kicked out of the house.

00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:04.000
Uh, it would have movie production facilities that would be rented from us, and it would have it would produce our product.

00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.960
So you can think a little bit like a vineyard in a way, um, uh, but slightly different.

00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.519
And so I'm hoping that the ranch is uh culmination of my life work at some point.

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:14.559
I love that idea.

00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:15.360
I really think.

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:21.840
And then you're gonna be gifting them uh, you know, all these tools of how to produce and that confidence and in that realm.

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.679
And it's something that's for them, and that'd be pretty cool to say that they're part of.

00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:31.039
It would give them such a chance to because like I believe in the hewing power of uh animals and kids.

00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:32.320
One, I saw it firsthand.

00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.639
I I saw it firsthand, so that's why we have two dogs, and so it's like so.

00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:42.639
I think there's that component, and then like they'd have to work with veterinary people, and a lot of like I was almost a bat.00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:54.159


My undergrad was biochemistry, and I actually soft applied, and I came really close to being a veterinarian, but after years at the animal shelter, I realized like I love those people, you know, but it's not something I could do daily.00:36:54.239 --> 00:37:00.400


Yeah, you know, and so it's like subjecting people to that sort of stuff is like, oh, hey, you want think you want to be a vet, you're gonna shadow the vets for a while.00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.039


What do you think?00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:12.000


Oh, okay, you want to go like shadow the movie producers, you know, it's like see what we're doing over there, the editing team, you know, the production facility, the entrepreneur staff, the kitchen for like uh creating the meals.00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:22.960


It's like it gives such an opportunity for diversity around um uh like career that um that I think there's a tremendous um, you know, value in that.00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:28.639


And then beyond that, like when I've done the business plan, the business plan is successful on its own.00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:33.039


So like it could be an incredibly successful business to do a lot of good.00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:41.519


And that's what I believe in meaning, even with this business, Glaive, any of the businesses I'm involved with now have to have a component of something good that it does.00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:42.000


Good.00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:42.400


I like it.00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.000


Otherwise, if it's just the money, don't get me wrong, money's important.00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:46.559


Yeah, right.00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.320


I don't want to like put that past the episode.00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.000


No, but you're saying the drive.00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:51.679


You're like, well, it could be both.00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:52.960


Yes, yeah, it could be both.00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:53.360


Yeah.00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.880


I always say, don't do what you love in this world, do what you hate.00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:57.280


Okay.00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.519


That's interesting because a lot of times I'm like, oh no, do something that you're so passionate about.00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:07.119


No, you you you do something you hate, you find that thing you hate, and then you open a business that solves that problem.00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:07.840


Okay, you know?00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.320


And I hate the the fact that we have such a problem with age out foster youth, right?00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:13.519


And foster kids in general.00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:21.599


I hate the problem uh the fact that we have, you know, like so much around like animal shelters and not no place for animals to go and education, you know.00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:27.760


I hate the fact that most of the stuff online was harmful to people instead of good for them, right?00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:36.559


I hated the fact that like somebody like me trying to start a business, there's no great resources for, you know, it's like, so you take things you hate and you open a business that solves it.00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:37.360


I like that.00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.679


I've kind of used that, hate that anger too.00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.840


The same if somebody's telling me I can't do it, yeah, you know, uh then it's the same thing.00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.960


And I have similar pattern, you know, grown up, you know, teachers.00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.079


Well, because I I, you know, we moved to Vancouver, I didn't know any English.00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:51.599


So school obviously was hard.00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:56.079


I it was just all of a sudden left Quebec City and school, so school was hard.00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:00.079


So I always thought, oh, well, I'm stupid or I'm not getting good grades and whatnot.00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:11.840


But then all of a sudden I go and take chemistry and all this stuff once I'm in college and go, and I'm like, I'm getting straight A's, you know, and but also I was also told old or shown that communication is not safe.00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.519


So I actually was very shy.00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:22.480


And actually, I remember dental hygiene, we're in clinical, and one teacher actually did tell me, she's like, You're gonna have to work on your communication because I know you know this stuff.00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.400


You get straight A's and whatnot, but you need to be confident in communicating it.00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:36.239


But because I would hesitate, and especially with with men and whatnot, I'd almost like want to dumb it down, you know, and and now I definitely don't do that.00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:51.599


Yeah, you know, and and I'm not fearful of talking about I had to kind of uh okay, step into in front of the camera, start a podcast, start speaking in front of people, you know, and and uh just that is my drive too, you know.00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.679


When somebody's saying, Oh, well, you can't do that, you're not very good, you're too shy, you're too this.00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.079


I'm like, Oh, well, now I'm completely different person.00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.599


You know, sometimes you know when you're Like the fear thing is a big thing.00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.159


You know, if you fear something and it's gonna be something that's good for the world, you have to do it.00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:06.480


Yes.00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:14.320


Like I uh I get to ask to go to seminars and speak sometimes, and you know, like the topic that they like me to talk about is media and that sort of stuff quite often.00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:22.320


And uh I will spend, you know, 30, 40 minutes of an hour just talking about how much this is gonna change your life if you get on the camera, right?00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:30.400


If you're truly kind-hearted and want to help the world and you finally approach the fear that it is um to get online, it's amazing the change it'll make it.00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.360


Which actually, I'm so glad you bring that up because I feel you'd help so many of these authors that I know.00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.119


Yeah, ultimately none of them like to be in front of the camera.00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:45.519


In fact, they they think, you know, I went to Rider's Island documentary series, most of them were like self-conscious and and not sure about it.00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.840


And they're like, Well, how are you doing it now?00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.679


You know, you've been in front of the social media.00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:51.119


I said, you just have to, yeah.00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:58.559


I I said, I never re-look at one video, I never re-listen anything, which might not be the right advice, but I get it.00:40:58.719 --> 00:40:59.199


I get it.00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:07.119


And I think that is that fear, that fear that creeps up, like, well, I'm not gonna look good, I'm not gonna say something correctly.00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.320


But I mean, if you listen to my first podcast and now it's not gonna be great.00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.599


You know, I have some friends that give me great feedback, and I'm like, oh yeah, I know.00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.920


All of us, all of us start there, right?00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:28.960


You know, and then it's like, but then like when when I think your life changes with it, is when you get that DM in your uh folder and it's like, hey, something you said last week is the reason I'm still on this planet today.00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.800


Yeah, I get goosebumps because I have gotten those DMs.00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:33.679


And what's that worth?00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.960


That's worth any bit of pain.00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.840


If you you have to reframe it to ask yourself this question.00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.119


It's like, okay, Tyler, you're gonna be uncomfortable being on camera today.00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.639


And you might say the wrong thing, and you're an ugly dude, so why dare you be on there?00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.000


You know, you're not an ugly dude.00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.320


But it's like, so I can start thinking about all those things about me, right?00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.159


Yeah, or I could reframe that and say, Tyler, you're gonna brave the camera today because guess what?00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:54.960


It's gonna help somebody.00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:55.679


Absolutely.00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:56.000


Right?00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:01.199


Absolutely, and like and you're gonna help people that don't want to be are so afraid to be in front of the camera.00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:07.840


I know so many authors that their their voice, their books, and they're about to be in front of the camera and they're so afraid.00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:16.480


And you as a media guy teaching that and teaching also the logistics, the background, like there's so much I don't know, and that's why I hired you.00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.400


Yeah, because I don't know all the algorithm, uh, when to post it, all of that language.00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.719


That's why I was like, okay, can you do that for me?00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.000


You know, it's it's funny.00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:34.559


My life set me up perfectly for it, you know, and I didn't even realize it because it's like when you only have$4,000 to open your first business, you don't have any money for marketing, you know.00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:41.760


And I got really, really good at all the free stuff in the world SEO, YouTube, social media, all these different things.00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.280


It got really, really good to it.00:42:43.360 --> 00:43:03.599


Where my company was a company with the Rolling Stones, with uh Disney, with uh CNN, like a laundry list of huge clients, you know, it's like we were talked about on the Joe Rogan show, you know, it's like so it's like all that stuff, spending, excuse me, spending less than a thousand dollars a year on marketing, right?00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.920


And then when you put that into the podcasting world, it worked the exact same way, right?00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:15.760


I never planned to ever be involved as much as I have been with um with the studio and the operations here and things like that.00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:24.320


I my whole heart was going towards my technology company, but I find myself really actively involved um because it's so important.00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.199


Bringing people's voices to the world, you know, helping you like the fear, you know.00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:35.440


So whenever I have to look at the okay, take a deep breath and pretend who are you speaking to?00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:49.360


And you really create that visual, and it's that mentorship has really helped me nail down what I'm trying to say and it and come from the heart instead of like that fear that comes up, the ego that comes up, and how to release that.00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.679


And uh, so I just have to say thank you.00:43:51.840 --> 00:44:01.519


I mean, I think it's been huge to be here and have you mentor me along the way because I've definitely seen that growth, and you're helping me reach more people.00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.800


That's so that currently is my place in the world, just about any anywhere else, you know.00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.880


It's like I have people that have really good messaging in different ways, you know.00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.119


It's like, and I help those people, you know, and so like get their messaging out.00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:16.159


And I think that's important.00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:20.880


It's like when I would get frustrated because I've got an undergrad in biochemistry and a fitness nut.00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.440


You know, I have an MBA and I've opened a lot of businesses, you know.00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.320


It's like when I would look online and I'd see the content online, that would hurt you, that would bankrupt you.00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:32.159


That, you know, it's like, and I here I am just sitting there like, this is horrible, you know.00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:34.559


It's like, so that's like a key indicator.00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:35.679


It's like we need more good content.00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:37.599


Yeah, yes.00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.000


So, how can people work with you then?00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.400


Like how to get a hold of you and work with you.00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:47.760


I know you have so many different avenues, but maybe it's something I gotta focus on a little bit more this year.00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:55.119


It's funny, like I told you I just gave that uh, so I'll give the seminars and stuff, and it's like I got probably uh there was a couple hundred people there.00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.679


I probably got 150 messages, emails, that sort of stuff.00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.599


And they're like, we don't even know what you do, you know.00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:06.079


It's like you didn't say once like a company or you know, anything like that, but I'd like to be involved with whatever you're doing or how to support you or whatever.00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:16.800


Um, so like I'm more um support Mel's show, you know, it's like in all the good she's doing, um, support our other people that are uh doing good work in the world.00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:24.000


Um I don't think I've ever once like um dropped, you know, like go to Backlot Studios, you know.00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:28.239


It's like um you can, you know, we'd love to have you here if you have a good message.00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:35.199


Uh I think it's more important to me that like if you're interested in what I'm doing at all, uh you can support me through social media.00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.400


I am very accessible.00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.559


There's never a DM that I don't answer, you know.00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:40.159


It's like even for your project, right?00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:53.039


Your big dream project, you know, maybe something is, you know, and that's why I'm putting that stuff a little bit more out in the world because Tyler can only do so much, you know, and so I'm starting to realize like if I want to get more done, I've got to be a little bit more vocal about the things that I want to change.00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:57.840


You know, and so we're opening more around um uh for our content for good.00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:06.000


We're gonna start locally, we're gonna start working locally a lot more and showcasing um local foundations around foster care on the camera.00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.679


So anybody that wants to volunteer around that stuff, that would be super helpful.00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.480


Um, we've got some other fun stuff coming up with media.00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.039


You know, we're launching uh the documentary this year.00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.519


We're hoping to film our second episode this year.00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:26.800


We've got a really interesting new docudrama about mask, uh, excuse me, documentary um talking about current um status of masculinity.00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.079


Oh, yeah, and so we're really interested about that.00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:31.679


Really interested in that.00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.840


One of my key phrases is the world needs more kind-hearted bass badasses.00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:36.239


Yes.00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.559


And so, like, obviously it's help men come back in that masculinity balance, you know.00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:43.840


Masculinity but kind.00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.440


Yes, yeah, with the heart, leading with the heart instead of fear.00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.360


Like, actually, that was my goal for 2026.00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.760


Yeah, because a lot of times I revert back to like that.00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.559


Was the old patterns coming back when I feel fear?00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.480


I'm like, well, harden up the heart.00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:01.440


I said, Yeah, release that fear, just stress that I just know where I'm going.00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:09.920


But sometimes, you know, so it's a lot about leading with continuing leading with my heart, which I've done a lot of, yeah, you know, and done a lot of things and said yes to.00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.760


And I'm like, oh, what did I just say yes to?00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.719


I think we need to say yes and we need to listen to that heart more.00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.639


And you know, it's like, and so yeah, um, at Tallery Raya is all my tags.00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:25.679


You can find out a little bit about what I'm not vocal about the businesses per se, but like the causes and things like that we're involved in definitely am.00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:26.719


So great.00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:31.119


Well, I'm so grateful and uh thank you for taking the time to be on today.00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:37.119


I know you'll reach so many, and uh, I'm just grateful for you, for your mentorship and for the studio.00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:41.039


It's been uh it it's been I love it.00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.199


I really get excited coming here.00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:48.719


I get excited because I know I learned something, but I know people listening are too.00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:54.000


And I keeps bringing more and more people that I know needs to be in front of the camera as well.00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.400


It's such a cool team sport, you know.00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:57.360


It's like that's what I love.00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:58.559


It's like we get to win together.00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:07.760


Yes you know, and that and I've been involved with a lot of businesses, and this is the one where you're on a team no matter what, you know, and so like I love because your wins are my wins and vice versa, you know.00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.039


And so so I love that.00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.960


I'm honored to have been on the show today.00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.599


We've had some great conversations over the last year, anyways.00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:15.679


And so I hope this was helpful to folks.00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.679


Um and yeah, I'm uh excited to see where you grow this thing.00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:20.559


Yeah, me too.00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:21.280


Let's go.00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:22.079


All right.00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:22.960


Thanks so much.00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:23.760


Yeah, you're welcome.