EP 39: The Science of Sound Healing: How Frequencies Rewire Your Cells with Katie Jo

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Welcome back to Not Alone with Melissa Sue Methfin.

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Before we get started, I'd love for all of us as a collective to get grounded.

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Just to take a deep inhale through the nose.

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And a long exhale.

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Let's do two more of those because I think I feel I need it today.

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I just love as a collective we get grounded before we get started today because I have a better special guest, Katie Jo.

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She is a friend, but more importantly, she's a global speaker, author, artist.

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She is a shaman and as well as a sound healer.

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So today we'll be where I feel my audience sometimes needs that bridge to truly understand how sound healing is so scientific and it is also healing and not to fear it and to understand it.

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I think when there's no understanding of what that is, what is drumming, what is my beautiful sample here that I got from Katie from Tibet, which is over a thousand years old, what it does for me on a cellular level.

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Katie has spoken globally and she has worked in hospitals.

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So I'm so grateful to have you here today.

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And also she's been on the uh legacy maker, writer's island with me, and my roommate, and I feel uh her voice is just uh soulful and deep, and her wisdom, her wisdom it it comes from from centuries.

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Her wisdom is centuries years old, and I just cannot wait to share her wisdom today.

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I'm so excited.

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah, you're welcome.

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I'd love to start off.

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I mean, uh your story has some depth to it and has definitely some highs and lows that many don't even know how they'd come back from, from the loss of a child, from dealing with suicide yourself to abuse.

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So I'd love to start from just getting to know you and what you've gone through, you know, what you've gone through in your lifetime that brought you to learning these tools.

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These tools that are life-saving and vital for us.

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I'm so glad.

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I'm thankful, thankful to be here.

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Um, what a treat it was to be in the British Virgin Islands with you, to be able to be roomies, and then just to be able to support you with your gifts and talents throughout the last week, because we've been on both seasons together, but to be able to support you living your purpose and your wisdom and your gifts through breath work and yoga and to witness that and for you to share your guidance as well as on the podcast.

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And it was so reciprocal.

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So I'm honored to be here today.

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And um, you and I are both writing books.

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Uh, I have published eight books, and I'm writing my ninth, which will be the one featured on Writer's Island, and I know that you're a published author too.

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And this book, unlike all my other books, which are most of my other books, are training, are concepts, our philosophical.

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Is that the right word?

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Either way, this one, yeah.

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This this one is memoir style, and it shares my life story and how my life story became the faith transition for me, leaving and moving through and shifting out of quite a conservative community, community upbringing religiously, and some of you are familiar with what is often called the Mormons, but the true name of that is considered the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is a very immersive religion.

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It's not a weekend religion, it's a complete lifestyle.

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And contrary to some of the more famous shows that you see right now with Mormon wives out there, to be immersed in that actual religion is full scope every single day of the week.

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So that was my foundation.

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And as I went through my life, I never felt like I fit in.

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And I've always been a questioning person.

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I've always been somebody who wants to know all sides of the story, who wants to know other perspectives.

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But most of my life and childhood, I just felt like I didn't belong and always felt like the odd duck.

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Now I had a wonderful family, and I'm grateful for that foundation of that structured religion because that gave me the discipline of daily practice of spirituality.

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And so today in my 40s, it looks a little different, but the foundation was set for me, which was daily connection to the divine, you know, prayer, scripture study, service, Sunday service was the cornerstones of my life.

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And while I still live all of those principles, ethics, and values, they're not necessarily in a structured spiritual form or religion now.

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So I feel like that sense of not belonging and also the cultural and societal pressures from not just the community, but also in Western media to be perfect, to look perfect.

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I developed a severe eating disorder.

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And to maintain that in my teenage years, I was taking diet pills and laxatives.

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And at the final crescendo of my of doing that, I was taking between 90 to 120 a day.

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And ultimately, in that head space and that extreme polarity of just self-hatred, I ended up attempting suicide and I overdosed.

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I was hospitalized for 10 days.

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And when I look back on that, and all of this is in the book, I'm grateful that that happened.

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I'm grateful that that occurred because that 10 days was enough for me to detox and I never went back to pills again.

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I still struggled with an eating disorder for the next few decades, two decades, but I was free of the pill addiction.

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Um, I became a pregnant teenager.

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And I had my daughter and changed my life.

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I went back to my religious roots.

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I wanted to give her the concept that God is omnipotent, loving, unconditional.

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I didn't want to teach her any dogma.

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I didn't want to teach her that there were measures and you have to be this and do this and you know, follow these rules.

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I just wanted her to know there was something out there that she was loved.

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And I also wanted her to be welcomed by the community.

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Fast forward a few years, and I had a beautiful second son.

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And in Utah culture, I mean, I was 22, 23 when my son Jonah was born.

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We have the kids young.

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And he came in as this beautiful, bright light with blonde hair and blue eyes, and just walked really young and early, and he had this life and vitality and curiosity and awe, and was always excited and always exploring.

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And I was five months pregnant with my third child when Jonah came down sick about 10 p.m.

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at night, and he passed away at 9 a.m.

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in the morning, and we had the 911 call, and we had the ambulance ride, and it was severely traumatic.

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I still get emotional remembering and speaking about it, and that I feel like was the breaking open for me.

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The I guess I'll share this part.

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I think this is important.

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We were in the waiting room, not the public waiting room, but they have family rooms that you wait, and we had just followed the ambulance there, and we were waiting with my husband and my mother-in-law, and we were waiting to see what was happening.

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And when the doctor came in, I remember him not looking up, and he said, He's gone.

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And in that moment, I I separated from my body, and I was looking down at the room, and I remember seeing my mother-in-law, and I I actually in that space I didn't know she was my mother-in-law.

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I saw the mother-in-law, the woman, weeping, and I saw my husband fall to the floor and curl into fetal position and just cry.

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But what caught my attention was the woman, which I didn't know was myself, who was sitting in the chair and she was writhing and screaming like a wounded animal.

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And it was completely incoherent.

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And in that place of not being in my body and looking at the room, I remember there was a being of light next to me, and I didn't look at them, I didn't turn, I just knew there was a being with me.

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And I said to the being, pointing at the woman, I said, She's making a ruckus.

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And the being said to me, that's okay, she can.

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Her baby just died.

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And then my mother-in-law, who is in the chair, weeping, she cried and she said, No, no, this wasn't supposed to happen.

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And the being to my right said to me, Yes, this was always the plan.

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And when they said that, I re-entered into my body like a splash of cold water, and it was just the most intense, extreme pain of my life.

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I felt like every shred of me that had ever been woven together to heal was completely torn apart again.

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And everything that I thought about life, in the terms of life making sense, was just obliterated.

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And so here I was, five months pregnant, and my daughter, oldest daughter, who was four at the time, she was so traumatized, she became a mute for about a year and wouldn't talk.

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And it was devastating, and anyone who's gone through losses, I know you have.

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And how does life not work?

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And it's almost like as you're collecting those and trying to organize it again, you're picking up every single marble and you're examining it from all angles and saying, What are you?

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What is this?

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And then you're placing it back in the bag and you're not sure again.

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And so that's that's my experience.

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I know everybody has their own personal journey, but that was what it felt like to me.

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And in that reframing, I was still practicing my religion.

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I was still very actively pious.

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Um, but I began to have a different awareness.

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When I would go to church, people would say things like, he's in a better place, or you know that this is how the afterlife works, and this is where your son is, and don't worry this.

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And there was this flicker of a flame that began to be ignited inside of me that was asking the question and burning bright, how do you know?

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Because all of these comforting things, and if you've gone through grief, people really have the best intentions, but sometimes they say things that are really, really, really not comforting and sometimes inappropriate.

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Um and I have to separate into their intention versus the delivery, but through that, in the LDS faith, you are not supposed to drink coffee or tea.

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And I had had like a morning coffee, and an elderly woman in the faith said to me, You will never see your son again unless you stop drinking coffee.

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And I remember it hitting me like a dagger in the heart, just stunning me.

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But it was something looking back that was really, really, really powerful because that was emotionally impactful enough for me to say, how could that possibly be true?

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Throughout all the time in all of the world, and all of the souls, and all of the mothers whose children have passed, how could it possibly be true that a God would not let her be with her child after death because of coffee?

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Because of anything, family bonds to me exist beyond that.

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So I guess that I had something inside of me that said there's no way that if that's the way it works, that's the God I'm part of.

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And so I was still living, and I still, for the most part, live the spiritual faith I was given, which is pretty prudent, I guess you would say.

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I advocate substance-free.

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I'm still a coffee drinker, but I still have a really disciplined spiritual practice.

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I'm still very engaged in service.

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So, but at that point, I started to unravel and started to take the steps of taking every belief that came my way, every scripture that came my way, every leader that said this is how spirituality, God, life works, instead of taking it at face value, I began to look at it individually for me and say, Is this true and is this not true for me?

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Does this feel like it fits for me and the way I want to live and what I want to believe?

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Spirituality, heaven, whatever that is, is.

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And so that was really this domino effect where I started to just find ways that made sense to me.

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And a lot of that is not just prayer, but being in nature and not praying necessarily to a he, uh God, the him, because I don't know that God is him.

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I don't know that God is her, I just know that there's something there.

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And so now I just explore and interact with whatever that is in the way that feels really true for me, because if I don't know, I won't assume.

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So when I pray, I'll say creator, I'll say omnipotent, I'll say you who are known by a thousand names but are the nameless one, because I know something's there, and I know that it's intimately involved in my life, but I don't know what it is, and that I still read scriptures, I still read sacred texts because I want to know, and I want to know other people's perspectives are, but I'll always leave that on the shelf and say, but what do I feel?

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Because I can integrate that or not.

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So that's what was going on for a while, for a decade or so, and I was finding that through my grief, supporting, serving, doing volunteer work helped me navigate grief because it kept me focused on something other than myself.

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It gave me an avenue for love to express.

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It gave me a place where I could see people going through very hard times.

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And I know for myself, when I had lost my son Jonah, there were people that showed up in kindness and grace that were lights in that dark time.

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And so I feel honored to be somebody that will step in for other people who are in those pivotal crossroads of their lives.

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And so I was doing that.

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And I was doing that as a volunteer freelance photographer at cancer retreats.

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But as you said, I'm an artist.

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I'm a, I'm a I've always painted and sketched, I've had art shows, and it's even featured in a college art show when I was in college.

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And somebody had seen one of my paintings, and they said, Can you paint that on a drum?

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And I'd never touched a drum in my life.

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And I said, Well, I don't know.

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I'll try.

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And in my in my in my paradigm, the drums were just a musical instrument.

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But I saw that the people who use them thought they were spiritual tools.

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And out of respect for their beliefs, before I would paint, I would drum.

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Or I mean, before I would paint the drum, I would pray.

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And I would just ask for guidance to draw to paint what they asked me to paint.

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So all of a sudden, my life really morphed into doing painting commissions on drums.

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And I had done maybe, I don't know, hundreds.

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I I I might be exaggerating.

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I don't know how many I'd done because I've done hundreds now.

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But all these people had drums.

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They said, Well, can't we do a drum circle?

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And I was like, sure, let's get together.

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I love how those little doors, those little angels guiding you along to where your divine purpose was, you know, truly.

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I love that.

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Those little seeds.

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And I have to share, I brought my drum that I you painted even before I even met you.

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I didn't even know this is so wild how life works.

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But um, yeah, it was August 2023, I believe.

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Shown her drum, and I was like, I need the lady's number.

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And uh so it's so beautiful.

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It's uh you you know encompass it exactly what I wanted.

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Oh, I'm grateful, but and I mean what happened, I guess, to kind of go towards where the sound healing goes is at these cancer retreats, one night I I said, Can I bring a drum up?

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Because I had I started to have this impression you need to bring your drum because I had a drum by then.

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You need to bring your drums, and I thought that's weird.

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I just go take photos, take photos on the last day of the retreat in Park City, Utah.

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That but I I texted the retreat manager.

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I said, I know this is weird, but do you mind if I bring a drum up?

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It it talks about coming to the heart, and she's like, that'd be fun.

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So I ended up bringing my drum, and I just was like, You could and it had this beautiful dragonfly printed or painted on it.

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And when I pulled it out, one of the ladies in the group started to just cry and just break down, and I couldn't understand.

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I just pulled the drum out of the bag, and what I didn't know is this woman was in stage four cancer, and her husband had just passed from cancer, and they had kids at home, and so she was facing the possibility of leaving her children as orphans and then grieving the loss of her spouse, and on the airplane over to Utah in the middle of winter, she had said a prayer, and she said, Husband, if I see a dragonfly this weekend, I know I'm not alone.

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Oh wow, I felt got full goosebobs you saying that.

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Oh my goodness.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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And so here it is, like the last day of the retreat.

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She hadn't seen one, which she really wouldn't in Park City in the middle of winter.

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And I showed up with a drum and a dragonfly painted on it.

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So it was really poignant and powerful.

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And I drummed over the ladies, and I was just teaching, this is opening the heart.

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All of a sudden, they started the retreat manager said, Bring your drum every time.

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I said, Okay.

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So I'd bring the drum every time, and I'd bring a few spares and we would drum.

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What took me into sound healing was I started to get messages from the patients, and they would say, Hey, after we drummed, my blood counts were different.

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Why?

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And I was like, I have no idea.

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I mean, I was I was just trying to offer the spiritual concept of drumming brings us to the heart.

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And the the reactions and the feedback that I was getting was so consistent of pain management, of my my brain fog was gone.

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I usually take me this long to rebound from chemo, and instead it only took me a shorter time.

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And I thought, what is happening here?

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So I started to wonder and ultimately research is there science behind this?

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Is that is this real?

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And what I now have and teach and train is there are hundreds of medical and scientific studies that show sound is being used on the physical body.

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And we know this because there's things that we see and witness but don't necessarily interpret as sound healing.

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We see doctors put tuning forks on patients to find broken bones.

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We um know of ultrasounds where they're using sound waves to look for things inside of our body.

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We've heard of, I don't know what it's called, but when people have kidney stones, they'll actually use sound waves to break those up.

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So it's actually in modern medicine everywhere, but when you come to something with an anti-singing bulb or a leather drum, people think it's woo-woo.

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Yes.

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So there it's still in a lot of ways an up-and-coming modality, but the foundational principles are being studied and are valid.

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So that's how I ended up in the sound healing, and all of a sudden I was doing drum circles all of the time monthly.

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What started with three or four people ended up being on average 150 to 200 people a month for roughly seven, eight years when the World Parliament of Religions came to Utah, and I had applied to be a volunteer literally to sweep floors and carry backs.

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Literally.

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But they do background tricks, and I was really excited to go and just volunteer because Marianne Williamson was gonna be there, Jane Goodall, um, Malika Chopra, uh Malcolm X's daughter, her name's escaping me right now.

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There's um Madame Maya Tawari, who's the founder or known for the Ayurvedic medicine.

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Like so these huge world names were there.

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And I was gonna go sweep floors if that's what they needed me for, because it was in Utah.

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And somehow, through some act of miracle, um, my friend calls me two weeks before, because I had been applied eight months before.

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She calls me two weeks before and she says, Katie, and she's a New York Science best-selling author, and she was speaking on the circuit.

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And she says to me, Hey, why didn't you tell me you're the keynote?

00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:32.720
And I was like, Huh?

00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:33.759
What?

00:25:36.559 --> 00:26:01.039
And here I like put my volunteer and my background in so that I could get into it because security was so high, and just say, This is who I am and what I do for whatever reason, through however the powers that be, it put me on as keynote speaker for the women's part of that entire world parliament of religion broadcast to 10,000 people live and a hundred nations.

00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.119
So, like, I like it's in my book.

00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.480
Like, I'm standing backstage with Marianne Williams.

00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:12.160
Like, and I'm sitting there like, how did this happen?

00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:15.119
And my sweet friend who had called me, it was kind of funny.

00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:16.880
She's like, Do you not check your emails?

00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:22.640
I was like, Well, I hadn't, I didn't even know because I hadn't even paid attention.

00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.279
I just knew I was gonna be there and I was gonna sweep floors.

00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:30.000
So that opened up a lot of opportunities for me.

00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.839
Um, I started to get called onto a lot of stages.

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:53.599
I started to get invited to share the message, and all I share when it comes to the drum is everybody drums, whatever your heritage, whatever your history, drums are in every culture, on every continent, in every country of the world.

00:26:53.920 --> 00:27:01.599
And so the drum to me is a symbol of unity where everybody deserves to be heard.

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There's no beginning and no end because we stand in a circle.

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There's no first or last, there's no better than worse than every drum has the right to play, and I have the right to play my drum and be heard, but so do you.

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:26.160
And I can't beat my drum and yours at the same time, so it is up to me to be accountable for myself and you be accountable for yours.

00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:45.200
And I might choose to have a song that's fast, and you might want a rhythm that's slow, but there is always a way to harmonize and come together in cohesive unity, or you know, uni means one, so universe, verse means song.

00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:52.160
There's always one song we can come together, and that's the message I share when it comes to the drum.

00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.079
And I believe that.

00:27:54.240 --> 00:28:03.200
I believe that we live in a world of polarity and there's a lot of division happening with religion, with politics, with other things in the world.

00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:15.759
And why I teach and share about the drum from a speaking standpoint is that we can all stay true to ourselves and find a way to work together and come together.

00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:16.799
Let's do it.

00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.160
So that's my message and mission with the drumming.

00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:28.000
And I guess that's where I mean, my book kind of takes you through all of that.

00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:44.880
So there's some other things in the book, I know time-wise, that are are pretty strong about um a boyfriend I started dating and ended up in some domestic violence situations.

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:56.880
Um, and then yeah, some pretty in-depth subjects of getting through that, and so that's a quick but not so quick summary.

00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.000
Yeah, and what's the title of this book, this new book?

00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.000
It's called Sovereign Soul.

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.279
Sovereign Soul.

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:04.319
That's beautiful.

00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:14.559
I have right here um, I mean, you've had eight, so I have pass it pathway sage, and it's so beautiful.

00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:15.440
Thank you.

00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:44.240
It's so beautiful, and I'm excited for this new book as well, because I think you have a powerful story of where you're at now and what um because I think when people are at that breaking point, it's so overwhelming and it does get confusing as to why is this all happening to me and all this pain, and how do I move through it, and how to utilize some of these tools as far as still your spiritual practice, you know.

00:29:44.640 --> 00:30:03.759
I know is that kind of a non-negotiable for you as far as your spiritual practice on a daily basis and connecting with the divine, you know, God, and as far as using sound as well for people, like how they can start um incorporating sound.

00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:12.160
I know uh for me, like you said, the drum is for the heart, and you have I have actually they'll probably take a video of it, but I have the kids here.

00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.079
Let me go grab it because I want to show it here.

00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:31.119
So the kids you had recommended with my kids were dealing with a lot of uh anger, you know, losing their father and a lot of grief and these outbursts and and a lot just overwhelm with just all too much.

00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:38.000
And you said, well, let them paint their own drums, you know, maybe something that reminds them about dad.

00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:44.079
So actually I did that for Father's Day, and I said, Let's paint uh, you know, your drum.

00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:48.799
And whenever you're missing dad, whenever you're feeling big emotions, you can drum your drum.

00:30:48.960 --> 00:31:00.319
So, anyways, they they had um for anyone that can see it here, they had you know, my uh late husband Scott Methman, he loved fishing and did an annual trip in Alaska.

00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.799
We lived in Alaska on this boat, crazy rain is what it was called.

00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:12.240
And uh that's what they decided, both of them, to paint that as dad's favorite boat, favorite thing to do.

00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:19.039
And I think that was very meditative for Scott to fish and be out in nature, you know, very grounding for him.

00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:27.680
And so I love that idea because I think to incorporate sound with my kids, I think that they really gravitate to that, you know, they really do.

00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.200
I have the steel drum.

00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:39.519
Uh I sometimes have young kids like four-year-olds, and then my girlfriend's kids come and they love the rain shaker and and how it could be so calming, the sample.

00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:47.119
And they just they they really gravitate towards sound and because it's playful too, adds play, playfulness to it.

00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:53.519
And I think for our children nowadays to recalibrate their nervous system, it's really hard.

00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:59.200
You know, we live in a very fast-paced world, they're in school all day, then we got sports and we're running around.

00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.880
So they don't have time to really spend you know, on their nervous system.

00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:16.799
So I find having these sounds, you know, these sambles, all these instruments in a sacred space in my house, they can always gravitate to and use that.

00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:27.359
And I know I had taken your class on Rider's Island about dramatic and sound and the sample and how it is, you know, on a cellular level.

00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.119
You you had this picture.

00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:42.799
I love this picture that shows the cells, how they change after you played, you know, certain music and instruments and and uh being also mindful what you listen to, probably, right?

00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:44.720
Absolutely.

00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:57.680
Sound waves, so sound waves are frequency, and the type of frequency there is hertz, which is a specific uh sound wave, and so we all have heard, you know, 440 four hertz or things like that.

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:12.559
So, but frequency is frequency, and until roughly the industrial age, the sounds and the frequencies that the human body was exposed to was organic.

00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.279
Bird calls, um, animal sounds, humans.

00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:23.440
There was not a lot of synthesized frequencies inundating the human body.

00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:45.680
Now, organic sound is a mathematical pattern that's known as the Fibonacci, and that would be a whole hour teaching here, but it's it's the scientific study that shows that all of organic nature follows a mathematic pattern, and that includes sound waves that are organic.

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:58.480
So when we started to introduce sound waves, for example, right now there are frequencies that are making this video possible that are coming through the ethers.

00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:08.960
If wherever somebody's listening to this, they might have an air conditioner or a heater running, they might hear traffic somewhere, they might hear their refrigerator humming.

00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:20.559
These are non-organic sounds that are on mathematical sequences that are not matching the biology that is inherent to us.

00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:38.239
So wherever you are, whatever you do, eating clean parasite cleanses, everything that you everything that is so beneficial for people to do, we are still being inundated by silent sound because humans can only hear so many sounds.

00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.159
We have a very narrow scope.

00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:56.000
I mean, if you think of dogs or bats and many other animals, wells and dolphins, their their ability to hear and convey sound and and you know express it is so much farther than we can, but that doesn't mean we're not being affected by it.

00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:10.000
So when you have these sound tools like the singing bowls, like the drums, um, like music that's calibrated to certain Hertz that match our DNA, then you are helping to retune your body.

00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.679
So I can't claim to be a musician.

00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.880
I do play a few instruments, but I'm not a musician.

00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:27.679
And what I've learned from musicians is let's say that we left a violin or a guitar or even a piano sitting for a long extended period of time, they would go out of tune.

00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:34.400
They need to be retuned by by by an expert for simply sitting there.

00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:51.599
Our bodies are are similar, but we're also getting inundated by a wide variety of frequencies that are not beneficial to the biological frequencies that are inherent to us, that are the mathematics that are inherent to us.

00:35:51.840 --> 00:36:04.480
So when we use specific sounds, it helps to re-attune our body to those mathematical patterns that are the most beneficial for health.

00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:12.159
And I know that's I hope not too deep, but not too surface.

00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:13.920
It's just to help people understand.

00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:20.800
And the study that you were referring to with the photographs is by a gentleman named, I don't know how to pronounce his name.

00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.440
I've read his work, but I've never heard his name pronounced.

00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:38.719
It's Fabian or Fabian Mamon, and he showed cells, specifically cancer cells, and how they reacted being exposed to sounds from a variety of instruments.

00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:54.000
And my favorite one is the gong because they showed a cancer cell, and they showed after 19 minutes of being exposed to the gong, which is this very gentle, not loud, just very gentle gonging.

00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:03.599
In 19 minutes, the cell membrane of that cancer cell destabilized, and simultaneously, healthy cells rejuvenated.

00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:17.599
So I personally have worked on clients that come to me over the last 15 years now, and they will give me feedback on things like their blood count numbers.

00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.960
And I remember this one gentleman, he came to me to experience a singing bowl session.

00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:25.840
And when I use singing bowls, I use the antique ones.

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:29.920
I don't use crystal, and I'm not against crystal, just so everyone's clear.

00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:40.159
I just have found better results with the metal, and so I had my yeah, and so and so and the crystals are beneficial too.

00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.960
I don't want to because there's a lot of people out there using them.

00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:49.280
I have them just typically on session treatment, one-on-one treatment, I'm using the metal.

00:37:49.360 --> 00:38:05.280
I've I've just seen better results with those personally, and he came over, I think on a Saturday, because he was having such poor reaction to chemo, and he was making him so sick that he said, I don't want to do this.

00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:11.199
But his cancer had been so advanced that the doctors were saying, You can't even take a week off.

00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:20.000
But he said, I just but I can't live like this, and he was just having severe, you know, digestive a lot of the stuff that happened.

00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.920
So he said, I just need a week to break, but he didn't want to do nothing.

00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:30.000
So he he was actually pretty by the book, and this was really far out for him to come to me.

00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:47.679
So he came on a Saturday and we used the gongs and the singing bowls on him, and he went to the doctor on Monday, and his numbers were better on his blood count that Monday than they were with chemo for week by week.

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And so they were like, Well, and they had expected him to just tank.

00:38:51.920 --> 00:39:00.079
So I've seen this multiple times, and cancer is one thing, and I really hesitate to make any claims with cancer.

00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:04.159
I'm not a doctor, I can only tell you my experiences.

00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:14.559
What I have witnessed multiple times is people who have had strokes and have lost movement in their face or in their leg or a part of their body.

00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:27.039
The sound waves that are not musical use the brain has to kind of figure out what's going on because the brain is conditioned to follow certain musical patterns because we're exposed to it.

00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:40.159
So when we're playing a sound bowl or something that the brain goes, hold on, that's not following a pattern that I recognize, it actually lights up neural pathways that don't always stay in the game.

00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.400
They're just, I mean, they're just taking naps.

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.000
They can work, but they're like, Well, we're not needed, why bother?

00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:57.840
And I've seen at least four times that people have regained sensation in parts of their body that they had no sensation.

00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:59.760
And I think almost like rewiring.

00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:01.119
The brain.

00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:01.679
Yeah.

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.519
And I feel like that's what was happening.

00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:08.559
Is there a lockage almost in the meridians, if I understand, try to understand?

00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:33.280
Because I I actually, you know, did a solo uh session with you on the island because I remember after I did breath work, a lot of times I do really well at clearing myself and in that energy and praying and protecting my own energy, but I hadn't done it at the end where I kind of recalibrate myself and whatnot, because I could just take on a lot of people's emotions while they release doing breath work.

00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.199
So I remember going, okay, can I please have a session with you?

00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.800
And that was the first time.

00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:44.159
And I took a picture, but I had all of these bowls kind of on me.

00:40:44.320 --> 00:41:11.280
You had them placed, you know, on my stomach, I think legs, and and just all over, and just to kind of explain how that worked, you I remember the sound would change because you would get me, you would play them and you'd say, okay, take some deep breaths in and help that energy or that flow that was blocked to kind of move through me, you know, in those for me that makes sense.

00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:15.199
Meridian lines, you know, we learn that in the mouth and how it's all interconnected.

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.119
So there was a blockage somewhere.

00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:19.119
And you're like, can you hear it?

00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:23.119
There it was almost out of tune on one side.

00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:37.760
And all of a sudden, the more we you work the sound and the more we with breath, the more it kind of that uh it realigned, you know, it tuned, you know, we heard a different sound out of the bowls.

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.320
I found that so fascinating.

00:41:40.800 --> 00:42:04.559
And I love I love to do that and to show that because as you know, now I teach and train sound treatment, and and people are worried that they have to be, you know, because like when you train kind of what's considered energy work or kind of alternative health modalities, a lot of people get nervous that I'm not intuitive enough or I'm not gonna know, and I might just listen to the sound.

00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.639
The sound will change based on what's happening in the body.

00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:29.440
And so for people who haven't experienced it or haven't seen it, when I'll use sambles or tuning forks or what some of the other tools that I use, when we're working from I mean, crown to toes or you know, head to toes, you don't have to put pieces and instruments on the body.

00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:33.920
You can just be in the field because the sound waves moves past, move past.

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:38.239
But what you can see and hear is the sound will change.

00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:46.320
And so I'll take a bowl and I'll kind of go over the whole body and where the bowl will literally change the sound.

00:42:46.639 --> 00:43:13.519
We know that the energy is not moving as smoothly as other places, and so by the end of this session, when we take that bowl or other instrument from above the head to below the toes, and we move through, it'll stay a consistent song, and then we know that the energy is moving in a balanced way, and I feel like the body itself, when everything's moving in a balanced way, can heal itself.

00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.679
Can heal itself, yes, absolutely.

00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:25.199
I've definitely read many books, you know, that they talk about how we can heal ourselves, you know, ultimately is more going within doing this kind of work.

00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.239
We can heal ourselves and and bel but we have to believe in the practice as well, right?

00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.079
And be open-minded to it.

00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.119
So I it it's such a powerful practice.

00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:45.119
And I think for me as well, when it came to mental health and grief and all that, and navigating all that, I got so curious, like you, well, okay, well, what are other people doing?

00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.760
What are so I was willing to, you know, test it all out and see if it kind of works.

00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:51.840
And I've seen tremendous amount.

00:43:52.079 --> 00:44:02.159
I feel like almost every day we would I need an attunement of some sort, either if it's with through breath or humming or the sound movement.

00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:11.840
Because, like you said, our environment that we live in, we don't live in a bubble, you know, we don't live in out in nature, unfortunately, and whatnot on a daily basis.

00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:25.760
So I do feel having a practice like this to recalibrate, even you know, in dental world, I talk about the sonos, like all the sounds, the drills, all that, you get sensory overload.

00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:32.880
And I think of how many practices that you hear that people that work in hospitals, the constant noises there.

00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:34.800
We get sensory overloaded.

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:47.760
So having a practice where you know, you learn to use sound, you learn to use breath, you learn to these nervous systems, this movement, nature, you know, grounding is so vital for survival.

00:44:48.000 --> 00:45:00.639
And especially if you're going through grief, going through dark times, you know, just really spending more time with for me, I, you know, God, the divine, whatever you'd like.

00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.360
Like you said, you know, building that bridge.

00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:07.519
I don't want to put everyone in a box, like, oh, you must follow like me.

00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:14.960
You know, I I go to uh a Christian church and my skill kids are in Christian school, but it's it's building that bridge that we're trying to do.

00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:44.719
You know, I'm I'm I really do want that bridge to be where people come with compassion, that circle that you talked about is like can we just come in a circle and utilize ancient wisdom for healing and and really rooted in just understanding and compassion and and how you pray is perfect for you and what resonates for you and the way I pray is resonates for me, and there's no right and wrong in all of that.

00:45:44.880 --> 00:46:01.679
And I think um and maybe go into you know what is shamanism, you know, because a lot of people don't know and maybe have um almost like a you know their own stigma behind it and what that is, and I'd love for you to explain that.

00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:10.079
Well, I I'll admit too, I think that there is a stigma about it, and I think that the stigma's fair.

00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:33.199
I really do, because there's been a lot that has happened in shamanism, and there's a lot of people that are saying they're doing shamanic work, and there's a lot of practices in shamanism that it's it's fair to be wary of, just like it's fair to be wary of any organization, any spiritual practice that is run by humans.

00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:41.519
Because anytime, like like to reference back to what you're saying, and maybe I'll reset.

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:56.800
So the word shaman comes from a tribe in Siberia, and what happened is is anthropologists were studying the tribe, and the word for their spiritual guide was Saman.

00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.960
And so that's you know, it got morphed into shaman.

00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:24.639
And so what happened is then when anybody studied any people across the world, they used the word shaman to say, oh, this is the spiritual person, and it's not really fair to attribute that name when it's not the name for the holy person all over the world, you know, a tribe down or a people down in South America, that's not the word they used, but the the scientists said, No, that's what you are.

00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:40.400
So I want to clarify that first and foremost, because shamanism, the word itself, is kind of a word that's been put upon many practices that just simply means it doesn't conform to a box, a known religious structure.

00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:41.840
So there's that.

00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:51.360
But shamanism is really just following nature, paying attention to everything around you, and knowing that we can learn from it.

00:47:51.440 --> 00:48:00.159
It's this understanding that there is more happening than what we can see with the human eyes, and that there's a multiple multi-dimensional reality occurring.

00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.679
So everything that I would say with that would really mirror-image any religion, right?

00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:09.280
It's what what do I what can I learn from this experience?

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:10.880
What am I being taught?

00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:20.079
Shamanism is fairly fairly defined by if you're using the four elements air, earth, fire, water, sometimes the fifth element, which is ether.

00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:27.360
Um, and you're using these in a way to spiritually interact with the divine.

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:32.079
So that's where you would start to say, okay, this is a shamanic practice.

00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.440
However, if you look through the scriptures, didn't Jesus use mud?

00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.679
Didn't Jesus walk on water?

00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.079
Aren't they using smoke and incense and temples to clear?

00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:55.920
So a lot of the things, if you take the lens off of this is what it is and what it's not, you see these practices that are working, that are universal, and they're being used all across the globe.

00:48:56.239 --> 00:49:03.360
Shamans currently in modern day are most well known for hallucinogenic um journeys.

00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:15.360
And it used to be when I started doing this and studying this a long time ago, 15 years ago, the hallucinogens weren't as mainstream as they are now.

00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.760
And so to practice shamanism wasn't automatically assumed that that's what your practice was.

00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:37.119
And what a lot of people don't know is in the scope of shamanism, that was not all shamanic or societies used that, and for the societies that did, it was a very small sliver of the practice, not the practice.

00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:45.840
It was a very small part of it, and it was very revered in practice, sometimes no more than once every few years.

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So there's I've studied shamanism and and from the top of the globe to the bottom, and the book that you showed here, Pathway of the Sage, is really accumulation of saying, here's how these people practice differently, and here's how you can do it your own way and find your own way.

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But my my teachings are substance free, and part of that is because I have been volunteering in substance um rehabilitation centers for so long, and most of the people who are in those places have already done hallucinogens.

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So it's not necessarily the answer for them, it's part of what they're trying to be free of.

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So shamanism for me.

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I do find that a lot of times we look outside of ourselves for our healing, and sometimes that's how that's introduced.

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We're like, well, maybe if I try this hallucination, this will save me.

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I'll get more clarity of this and that, but actually, because we get kind of impatient, you know.

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And but I I find for myself, it's like actually, no, I need to go more within, spend more time in in prayer, spend more time in self-realization, really, which I think you do talk a lot in your book, is like really becoming self-aware, observing our old patterns and how to shed them.

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I know I'm feeling it this week, this is this full moon.

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Yeah, and you do talk about the moon.

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I'm like, oh, I'm shedding, I'm I'm I'm noticing old patterns coming back that I do.

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And I'm like, at least now I'm aware of them.

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You know, when in my early 20s, I had no clue.

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This is why I was doing, for example, I'm an overgiver.

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I mean, it's an abandonment, childhood abandonment, you know, and and no, I love my parents.

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They are they're all a gift.

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It's just, you know, divorce will do that.

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Grief and all that, those are abandonments, not your parents abandoned you.

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It's just that wound.

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And a lot of times for me, the overgivers, which I think a lot of women are, is to is to that's how we feel.

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Oh, I'm gonna get more love.

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I mean, I'm gonna be love the more I give, but that's a safety mechanism for me.

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It's like, oh, the more I give, the more I'm like overgiver, but then I lose myself in it, you know?

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And so these old patterns are kind of coming back and it's just hitting me in the face, and I'm like, oh boy.

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So I have to just process that and and shed it so that but we we have to face it, right?

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There is, I think there was a sentence I I I don't know if I put it there.

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Oh this is what I love from your book here.

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Uh highlighted it.

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We must allow ourselves to feel but not to be controlled by our feelings.

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I love that.

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And then negative feelings are a red flag that we are in resistance to something.

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So I that really hit me and it resonated for me, especially this week, because okay, I had to allow myself to feel that I am recognizing these old patterns showing up.

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Yeah, yeah, and I had to feel like if you don't recognize it, how can you choose different?

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Right.

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Because sometimes when we when we go through the motions of life and do what we've been taught to do, do what we've always done, or do what society says this is the way it works, we can kind of phone it in.

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We can kind of get it's like when you're driving your car, you've done it so long, like all of a sudden you're like, oh, I'm home.

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I don't even remember that ride.

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Because we go through the motions, and so when we when we go through life with our healing, with our spirituality, just taking things at face value, which versus being completely present in the moment and noticing and witnessing for ourselves, and also saying, is that true for me?

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Do I agree with that?

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Then when we when we move into that, then we notice, hold on, I always seem to react this way when this happens.

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Hold on, overgiving is or abandonment's a trigger for me, right?

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And it might not be a trigger for somebody else.

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And and because we all have our own lessons, we are here to learn.

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And and the full moon, while people think it's kind of this woo-woo thing, because I have a book written on the year of the moons.

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The truth is that when we are in a full moon, what's happened is is the moon is getting the full light from the sun.

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And so the way I do it, and if you can see my head, I explain this is if my head was the earth, then here's the moon and here's the sun.

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When it's a full moon, they're getting there the the earth isn't in the way of them, and they both have a gravitational pull.

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But when they when they're back here, we still have a level of feeling grounded because the ground, the earth's gravitational pull is keeping us down or keeping us grounded.

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So when we see that full moon, what's happening is you're having the gravitational pull of the sun and the gravitational pull of the moon.

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We know we witness this with the ocean tides, the soil moves up to 18 inches in places.

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It's being pulled by these two gravitational forces, and we are water and we are earth, and so we are also being pulled two different directions, and the brain can't go, oh, I know what this is happening.

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The brain in the subconscious is simply saying, Why do I feel not grounded?

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Why do I feel being pulled in two different directions right now?

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So the brain will say, Oh, it's trying to answer the unrest it's feeling.

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So the mind starts to say, Oh, it's because you haven't been paying attention that this person is really not respecting you.

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Or, oh, you haven't been paying attention, this is what's happening in or this memory or this past you haven't healed yet.

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And it's because the mind is bringing up things to the surface because it can't figure out why it doesn't feel centered right now.

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So it's it's it's woo-woo, and also isn't it amazing that this cycle that we go through every single month, even more than once a month, gives us the opportunity to have things come up for us to look at them and say, okay, this is a pattern in my life, or this is something that I'm witnessing, or man, I I thought that I was over this experience, but here it is again.

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So that means I have more healing to do.

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So it's an amazing built-in system for us to really grow and evolve.

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So I've noticed for so many right now.

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And I I mean, I've had plenty of guests on here that are doctors and and um uh talk about how the moon does play a role in in even just finding harmony in our own body when it comes to parasites.

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They thrive, they like birth during a full moon, so before a full moon, to start doing, you know, taking wormwood and all this stuff.

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And I was like, oh, he's like, why do you think there's so many more births, you know, people that are nurses in a hospital?

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Oh, yeah, on the full moon.

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And there is science behind all of it.

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And there are um so it I if you know this and if you study it and understand it, you're like, okay, a full moon is coming.

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And and if something is coming up, at least you can observe it, you can feel it, you know where it's coming from and how to move past it.

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You almost have to and physically it's pulling, like you said, with the burst, it's full pulling on our water, male or female.

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That's partly what happens with those births, or a lot of women will their cycles will cycle with the moon because the blood in our body is our water.

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And so the moon is pulling the tides, but it's also pulling on the water in us, and so it's affecting the biological functions of our body.

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It's not bad, it's not good, it's not woo-woo or not woo-woo.

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It's just this is part of being on this planet, this is part of experiencing this world.

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And when you learn about it, like you said, then you can use that to your advantage to be in flow.

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So, kind of circling back to shamanism, shamanism would be I am part of nature, I'm not separate than nature, and living in harmony with it and recognizing these things are influencing me, that's just just part of all of it.

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So, noticing.

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I like that you say that because you start noticing how nature is talking to you.

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One example for me, I've had experiences with animals, you know, uh, especially past uh Scott's grief, where this raven literally follows my car and guides us to the first day those kids had to go back to school after their dad passed, um, to a hummingbird.

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I'm not kidding.

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I mean, I was asking for a sign, I'm very clear in my prayers sometimes, and I did ask, just like the lady you mentioned in the story of her praying and asking to see a dragonfly.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, for me, I asked a hummingbird and as I'm walking, I'm not kidding you, the hummingbird stopped me in my tracks and came right here in my face.

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And it just kind of it just was there telling me like a message, and and now so now I'm observing when nature is trying to speak to me as well, you know, and send me little messages saying, okay, you're on the right path, or okay, maybe we need to look at this, you know.

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So uh, and I I think that's so fascinating and so fun to get messages from your loved ones, you know, and and truly even though physically when you lose a child, you lose somebody, you miss their physical presence, you know.

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And but to know sometimes getting little signs from them from from the spiritual world, that's that's love.

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You know, the love never left.

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You know, and I think that's so important for people to that are grieving to be, you know, start looking for those little signs, you know.

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Maybe it's a song that your loved one loved and all of a sudden starts playing on the radio, you know?

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Because if everything's frequency, everything.

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Is.

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Nikola Tesla says everything's frequency.

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And when you start to think of it in that way, then heaven, multi-dimensions are all different, different frequencies.

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They're all happening right now.

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And I mean, based on what you're saying, because I talk about the power animal realm in the book, what part of the shamanic lens, and I can't speak for all shamans, just mine, is that while in a lot of religious ways we think of spirit guides or angels, but there's also the realm that is connected to the animal spirits.

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And in the animal spirit realm, those though they're sentient, they're aware, and they are here to support this journey on earth.

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And so while we might look at a domesticated dog or cat or you know, a snake that crosses our path, cross our path out in nature, and think that they are not as conscious as we are, in the spirit realm, they're very conscious and they're working with that realm of our highest selves, our beings, our angels, guides.

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We are so supported here.

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And so it seems kind of strange if you if you don't look at it through this lens, but when you understand, like our little our little house cat has a soul too, and that soul isn't, you know, in the mind frame necessarily of the cat that's here, it's connected to such a greater awareness and consciousness, and through that consciousness, when we're saying, I need I need a message, I need help, of course, that realm supporting us too.

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And sometimes they do that through the raven showing up, the hummingbird, or you know, I saw a black egret by my parents' house, and I have lived in this state for now almost 50 years, and I have never seen a black egret in my life, and it was outside my parents' house, and so I was like, this is not an accident, and I looked it up and it was that message because you can I tell people like ask yourself in your heart what the message is for you first, and then go in online and just type in what's the spirit meaning of this animal, and a lot of times that's the exact message you needed.

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So I've seen that for myself, and now I feel I could talk to you forever, but I know you've gotta head out soon.

01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:21.599
But uh, how can people?

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I know you offer a lot of classes, a lot of courses that I one day I will make because I I'd love to um dive deeper into sound healing, and um but there's more to that.

01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.239
You now can you tell share a little bit?

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And we can put it in the show notes too by how people can find you, work with you.

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The easiest way is to just go to my website.

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And if you see my name, Katie Joe Fineye, it's just katyjoef and I.com.

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So just go there and it shows a lot of different things.

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I've got some my books are on there, and I've got some freebies on there right now, some meditations and things, and everything that I do is listed on there, upcoming and the new show and the new book coming, everything.

01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:06.559
So yeah, it's an awesome time to see you again and chat again because I just adore you.

01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:08.239
Yeah, I feel so lucky enough to be.

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That's my favorite kind of conversations now.

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Yeah, and go deep.

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And so uh so I appreciate your time and uh please follow, follow Katie Jo.

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I mean, she's got a wealth of wisdom with her eight books, more coming.

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I feel like it's been pivotal for me to use the sounds and get to know more.

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I I keep asking Katie more and more questions and get more curious.

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So uh DM her with any of your questions, follow her, and uh stay tuned for our episodes on Rider's Island because we'll be able to see you doing your magic.

01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:51.119
You know, really you're you're it was so beautiful to watch.

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You work on so many of the girls and teaching and the the drumming was honestly one of my favorite parts when we were dancing and we're just drumming wild.

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It's my favorite community with women.

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I think uh, you know, when I all host like retreats and all the things, uh drumming is definitely gonna be part of it because that was my favorite, favorite part.

01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:14.559
Yes, always.

01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:15.840
Well, thank you.

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Thank you for having this platform.

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Thank you for having this because it's changing lives and helping people heal.

01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:31.840
And I also want to acknowledge behind the scenes because I know that there's people behind the scenes that are here today making sure that you get your message and my message out.

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So thank you.

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Oh, yes, and we got confirmation there, yeah.

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Yeah, yes, absolutely.

01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:38.320
It was important.

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I really wanted people to understand, uh understand you and understand your wisdom and truly start being open to this because it could change their lives.

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It could it could heal them, like you said.

01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:53.760
It can heal them.

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Yeah, it's a tool.

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I mean, I feel like we heal, but we have tools that assist us so.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Well, thank you so much and stay tuned for the episode.

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