EP 74: DR. DAVID PORTER REVEALS WHAT MODERN DENTISTRY MISSES

Welcome And The Big Why

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back to Not Alone, where this is a place where we share stories. I'm a truth seeker and where it provides you hope and direction to advocate for your own health. This is why I have the honor to have health experts on, to share their knowledge. And I'm often asked, why is this not out there for everyone to know? And there's a big why to that. And we'll dive into that a little bit more. But today I have Dr. David Porter, all the way from Wyoming. And gosh, I cannot say enough about his book, AIM. I, it's a very easy book to read. AIME is called Airway, Infections, and Metal. Dr. David Porter is a biological dentist, and it says A Pathway to Wellness for the Prevention of Chronic Disease, which has been such on the rise for over decades now. And I truly believe the root cause is often found in the mouth. And his book, I'm going to recommend it to everyone. I just bought tons of other coffee because I'm going to be gifting it to everybody. If you're not a reader, it's less than 100 pages. It is simplifies the airway infections in as to why this is not status quo. Why are not all practitioners treating this way? So I absolutely loved it. I highlighted so much, took so many notes, and I'd love to just welcome you on and thank you for your time.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Well, thank you for having me. It's it's a pleasure to be here today.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Yeah, thank you. I I loved the way you started your book. It was just a love for the profession, for the providers. And this is where you're not trying to cause any blame to anyone else the way they're practicing. But also I you said dentistry requires more precision than neurosurgery. So I always say that too. It takes so much precision and perfectionism and concentration that they are truly very gifted, very bright. But you do say that what they learn in dental school limits their knowledge. And I just wanted to read a little bit. I love that you said the standard is simply far too low, but you can't say enough good things about the people in the industry. We have a long way to go regarding the health and aspect of people we serve. You were not taught how teeth and the mouth are intertwined with the rest of the body. So I'm just curious as to what got you so curious to intertwine learning all aspects of the body. I know you dive into how your journey started, but for the audience purpose here, how did you fall into biological dentistry? What are some of the things you were not taught in dental school that you had to learn all yourself along

Relearning Dentistry Through Curiosity

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the way?

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Well, I've uh I've pretty much had to relearn everything. There's nothing that I do currently in my practice today that I did the same way when I got out of dental school almost, you know, 20 years ago. So everything has been completely redone. And so I wouldn't say that I was taught the wrong way. I was taught the way that pretty much every traditional dentist is taught. And I was taught by wonderful people with certainly good intentions, but it was what they knew how to do. And so my journey really started from just getting out of dental school and then just really uh I say I would say by the grace of God, being connected with certain people that had a passion for dentistry, um, and that and then that continue to stay curious about things. And so my passion has just really always been the truth. And so I seek the truth wherever that, wherever that's gonna lead me to, that's that's where I want to go. And so, you know, when you when you get out of dental school, you have a set of beliefs, and then somebody tells you something just crazy, insane of like, do you know that really mercury fillings are not good for you? And of course you heard in dental school that they were just fine and there's no problem, and that everybody who believes that mercury is bad for you is, you know, you know, selling you, you know, you know, snake oil or or whatever. And you're like yes, and you and you and you look at this person that's telling you this, and you're like, well, this seems like a reputable person, they have high integrity, I believe in that they believe this. So maybe I should take the time uh and not believe something wholeheartedly just because they're telling me it, like I did in dental school. But maybe I should start doing some research on my own because they seem like a very reasonable person. So if a very reasonable person tells me something, I'm going to, I'm going to at least do some more research on it and try to find out for myself of like, was that a reasonable thought or reasonable assumption, or were do I just disagree with them? So it just it just continues. And then and then you learn something, you're like, oh, okay. Although it seems, it seems crazy now to think that, okay, Mercury, although we know it is the most toxic non-radioactive substance on the entire planet, okay. We know that, and you know, the Food and Drug Administration, not that I take health advice from the FDA typically, although I think they're going in the right direction. Um, I don't normally take health advice from them. They've issued a report on their own website in 2019 talking about the the toxic effects of mercury fillings. And we know in Europe they're banned uh in any man, woman, and child, you cannot place mercury fillings anymore, although there's still the standard of care in the United States. And so when you when you learn these things and you and you come to the realization of like, wow, this is just really terrible for for the human body, then then it it makes you start to question other things. And then you just get into this repeated cycle of continuing to question what you do, why you're doing it, and you're just always seeking for improvement. And and I think that that's just been the continual um ladder I've been on is to always question certainly what I'm learning uh and what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

And who's funding the learning, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Yeah, for sure, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Funding the learning.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Because you say this in your book, you know, pharmaceutical companies are funding medical school. So be aware of that. What are they gonna try and push, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Yeah, I think that they just came out just recently, uh the um the New England Journal of Medicine. Um, the I think the lead editor or or somebody in charge there has just kind of made public that I think 50% of the research that they published in the New England Journal of Medicine is can't be substantiated, can't be backed up with any like the the labs that where research has been done has they don't exist. The researchers that put out the research are are are not alive. Um, and

Mercury Fillings And The Research Problem

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so a lot of the research that they've even publicized has been inaccurate. And so, like you said, I I think you certainly, just because you're reading a study coming from somebody, I I think that certainly, you know, the New England Journal of Medicine, one of the most highly accredited uh uh uh um journals in in the world, uh up to this point at least, I think you certainly have to give it some credence when you're reading it, but you have to be certainly very careful of just believing something, hook, line, and sinker, just because you read it one time or or hear about it in one thing. So that that's that's the balancing act in medicine is I always try to go, does this make sense? Okay, that's the first thing. And and then trying to like, okay, um, read something and then and then and then verifying it to prove to to prove to myself or that that okay, this is this is valid.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

To apply it in your practice, right? Because once you see the truth, I'm sure you had some patients uh that have mercury in their mouth, right? They have the amalgam fillings and they have a list of symptoms. And the moment you remove this, you saw that they get better. Like, I mean, I'd love for you now. Once you see that, you can't unsee the truth. That's right. You're so grounded, yes. So even you could be mocked. I'm sure I'm still being mocked for talking about mercury poisoning. I'm 100% positive my husband had mercury poisoning. Yeah. 100% uh from the nerve damage, from all the symptoms. Now it all makes sense. It was a lot of other multifaceted for his mental health, but the neurotoxin, yes, because that's all he removed for years and years and years in his practice. And now uh I love for you to shine the light as to what are some of these symptoms of somebody with metal in the mouth. Because of course, a lot of these could be, you know, they'll go see a practitioner and they could say, well, this is maybe because of this or that. And it's never, it rarely comes back to the metal in the mouth. And I in fact, I went to do a CE course in um Texas with a for oral cancer and some of this a very elite oral surgeon was uh providing the course, and every picture that he showed of a gentleman with severe oral cancer, there was metal in the mouth.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

But but never did he point that out how that probably contributed to the I love how you dive into that in your book. How I know you probably do a better job than explaining, but how the metal in the mouth will uh affect your acid, your acid in your gut. And so I'd love for you to kind of describe that because you simplified it for people to understand why metal in the mouth today is so toxic.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Yeah, so all metals corrode. Corrosion, if we want to just be simple, all metals corrode. Corrosion leads to inflammation, inflammation leads to disease. Okay, so we can talk about mercury, and and I think most everybody is gonna say mercury is is not good for you and toxic, but we're even talking about titanium implants. Again, going back to the Food and Drug Administration, they issued another report in 2019 about talking about the biologic effects of titanium implants. Now, I think 98% of dental implants that are placed in the United States are titanium. Titanium corrodes, it's a metal, and that can lead to significant health problems. Now, that doesn't mean that health problems are going to exist in every single person that a titanium

Metal Corrosion, EMF, And Inflammation

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implant um gets put in. I look at a lot of these things. My goal in my practice is just to really be a vessel of information for patients. I want to make sure that when the patient comes in that they leave well informed. My goal is not to steer them in any specific direction. I believe that I believe it wholeheartedly in medical freedom. And for somebody to have freedom, I believe that they have to have the information first so that they can make a choice. It'd be the same ex the same thing as if a patient came in and they decided to start smoking the day after they saw me. I certainly would not be encouraging them to start smoking at all because we know all the health effects. But because they know the risks associated with smoking, they know that it's not good for them. They know the risks that they're taking. I'm okay because we live in the United States of America, the greatest country in the world. I'm okay that they do that. They have freedom of choice to be able to do that because they live in our country. So the issue that I have with titanium or root canals or any of these things is not because people choose them. The issue I have with them is people aren't informed of the the potential side effects. And everybody's gonna experience side effects differently than the other person. But I think that we have to come to some standard of what is what is optimal health? What does that look like? And and and then and then we can deviate from there of like, you know, somebody may choose to go to McDonald's and eat for lunch. Well, we could probably all agree that that is not optimal health, but I agree that they should still have the choice to be able to go and eat lunch there if they choose to. So I just try to be, as I said before, a vessel of information. And when we're talking about these metals, again, metals have always been detrimental to our health, but the environment that we live in today is dramatically different than it was 50 or 100 years ago. We've got Wi-Fi everywhere, electromagnetic frequency everywhere. You talk on your cell phone, the first thing that it is going to ping off of is some type of metal in your oral cavity. And so what this does is it just speeds up the corrosion process. And again, we know that corrosion leads to inflammation. Inflammation is the root cause of all disease. That is the simplest way that we could place it, I think.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

Yes, yeah. No, that is. It is simple to understand that even in your book you talk about, yeah, over 50 years ago, we didn't have all these towers. Actually, you even had a link to check how many towers you have around. I actually checked it. I think there was like 178 surrounding my house. Yeah. Tower. And growing. And growing, yes. Actually, they were just putting these wire things underground as uh for this other, you know, cell tower. I was like, wow. So I'm all about using my podcast to have as many biological dentists that could talk about this, realizing what it impacts your health. That's why I have this podcast. The more I have many biological dentists speaking of these topics in their own way, like you said, it could be confusing than kind of information you have. But if you see a consistency of dentists talking about these case scenarios that they're seeing and giving you the knowledge, now you are prepared to ask better questions for your provider. And you can also advocate for your own health, going, yeah, you know what? I've been more fatigued. I have a lot more inflammation. I have now, you know, be diagnosed with diabetes or, you know, a long line of other illness from MS. You talked about MS. I love, I love, love actually that story of the gentleman. Do you mind sharing that? Of he was in a wheelchair and just taking out the metal in his mouth, and then he was able to walk after and he was okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

I mean, it's it's just really amazing the the what you would think is the simplest thing of just like removing the metal. We see things like that, I mean, really all the time. And that really is what inspires me to continue to practice and continue to work hard and continue to educate myself and to continue to seek the truth, is you just see these

Health Starts In The Mouth

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amazing transformations from people of something that you would have never dreamed or I would have never dreamed 20 years ago was even possible. I I got into dentistry just thinking that I was just a dentist. And I graduated dental school thinking I was just a dentist. And and as I've uh, you know, went down my journey to health, I've I've realized that really health starts in your mouth. Yes, yes, that's my big why is start there. Yes, you have to start there and then expand out. You know, uh a colleague of mine, uh Dr. Jerry Tennett, he's out of out of Texas, he's an integrative health practitioner and uh uh another uh brilliant, brilliant man. Um he he kind of uh says in his book that he will not even see patients because unless they've seen a qualified biologic dentist first. Because what he's witnessed in his practice, he's all dentistry's 70 part, 70% of your health. If you get that part right, he's all I can get the other 30% corrected. So true. If you don't get the oral health fixed, he's all you'll just be in a cycle of going over, fixing things and then refixing things and then refixing things because nothing will hold or stay long term unless the oral health is taken care of.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

I see this all the time. I see this all the time with even cancer, yes, with it's like go, it's the last place they go look.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Yes, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

But then they're spiraling or in remission and and it's coming back. And I'm like, you know, yes, this is my big why. Start looking at the dentist. And you know, you you also have a background as a naturopathic physician. Yeah, so you are able to blend both. But I love that you work with that other uh practitioner, but you also what I love, you are it what is the certification as well about reversing Alzheimer's.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Yes, yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

With a certification, is uh recode 2.0, correct? Correct. It says you're you're one of the only few dentists certified in that for dental professionals, which is in the program that has a great success with reversing and preventing the effects of Alzheimer's. Now, can you explain that? Because you obviously see it in the mouth. Wow. It's so connected to Alzheimer's.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Yeah. So the uh the the the brief uh synopsis of the of the recode protocol, Dr. Dale Bredesen uh written a bo has written a book on this. I actually know Dr. Bredison uh called the Anti-Alzheimer's. And and his short version of the of the story is that basically he's been studying this disease for 20 or uh 20 plus years of his career, probably longer than that. And he came to one conclusion that of all

Alzheimer’s Prevention And The AIME Lens

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the drugs that there are, over 200 drugs out there for Alzheimer's, all of them have one unique thing in common. They don't work. So he's just like, I have to recalibrate a solution to this. So he came up with this record protocol that obviously there's a health side of things of like you have to eat uh, you know, a diet that's that's gonna be advantageous to uh to to health, uh like a keto flex or ketogenic diet that is gonna be advantageous to health. And then there's a dental side to it. And that dental side is you have to remove the infections out of your mouth, you have to get good quality of sleep, and you got you have to get rid of toxic materials. So it just fell in line with what what we do, exactly what we do.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

So it was you do airway, infections, and metals, right? That's your book. So those three things.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

So it just it just aligned with us perfectly, and so it just made obviously sense to align our efforts with his. And uh yeah, I mean, you can look that up as well, too. He's had amazing success stories of people reversing the effects of Alzheimer's with zero drugs. Zero drugs. Wow. Alzheimer's is a lifestyle, lifestyle/slash environmental problem. Um, yes, there are genetic components to it, just like everything, but you know, the environment or the lifestyle is what really what turns on or off the switch to lead you down a path uh in that direction. And we do have a lot of control over that.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Yeah, I believe that. I go to a lot of health conferences and there's definitely a lot of studies and doctors talking about, yeah, it's a lifestyle, you know, the gut health, and then of course the oral health. I'm also seeing that a lot. I had Dr. Karande, who worked five years in a mental health institute, and how he did see that himself in the mouth. It affected their mental health. So I it's important for people to understand that and have the knowledge, start looking in the mouth first with a knowledgeable biological dentist, of course. And I always, you know, patients ask me, so what if you have patients are looking, you know, seeking this kind of treatments now, what are some questions they can ask their dentists or as they're calling around dental office, because not every biological dentist is created equal, you know. Um Marissa flew from Arizona to come see you in Wyoming, right? Because it's it's really hard to find someone that does the work like you do and have the knowledge and the expertise. So I I would do the same as fly, fly anywhere for the expert when it comes to your health. It's number one.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

If I don't have my health, I can't take care of my children. You know, I can't go out and make money. So it's kind of like, okay, that should be number one. And also number one is to look at your mouth.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

And then that should be, I'm all about preventative health. That's why I got into dental hygiene. I've always been interested. My other career would have been naturopath. And so it just aligns so much. I'm a truth seeker as well. After my husband passed by suicide, I asked a lot of questions as to why that happened to one of the most incredibly smart human beings and uh caring and loving. And so it just um, I'm a truth seeker too. And I love that that's what you're you're teaching and that's what you're giving out with this book. And yeah, I'd love to how can you educate patients to ask the right question and not be afraid to ask the dentist questions?

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah, I think you have to you have to be your your own best advocate in your in your health journey uh, period. And so if if your doctor, your dentist, your healthcare provider is offended by any question that you ask because it's because they just t are taking offense to it, then I think that that's generally a good clue that maybe you're not in the right environment. You know, so you should have the freedom and comfortability to ask anyone. Question. I mean, a lot of these things are very personal to people. Um, you know, health issues

Choosing A Dentist Who Listens

SPEAKER_00 22:05

are very personal, generally speaking. And so you want to make sure that your values and your perspective aligns with your healthcare provider. So you have to feel comfortable really asking them anything. It's kind of like a part of the family, you know? And so that that's the first thing is that do your values align with theirs? And I think if if it does, that's that's a great starting point to building a relationship. And so you have to be comfortable doing that. And then then you can start asking kind of maybe the harder questions of like, why do you do it this way? Is have you heard of this? What's your view of this? You know, and and and again, because their values or their perspective doesn't align with yours doesn't make them a bad person or you a bad person. It just means that, you know, your paths were not meant to cross in this way at this point in time. And and and that's why it's important to do research. It's really important. We we do in our office, we have a basically our first visit is called a records appointment where we just really gather information on the patient. And then the second visit is we have a consultation that lasts typically about an hour or an hour and a half long, where I'm just sitting in there one-on-one, and my treatment coordinator is there, and we're just visiting with the patient about basically everything that we have found out.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

I use you don't see that very often. I know I tell temp to give an hour and a half of your time one-on-one. That's one thing that I put on the list of questions that I send people is like, how much time are you gonna be given with the dentist to ask questions to go over, you know, your health history and your treatment plan? So that's incredible that you do that.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

Yeah, and I do that so I can get a feel from the patient. I want to make sure that the patient is feels comfortable and is a good fit for what we're doing as much as they are for us, as I am for them. And so I do that for their benefit, certainly, and for and for our benefit. Because I just want to make sure that our values and our beliefs align and that we're a good fit for each other. And so, and if for whatever reason it's not a good fit, well, then you know, that's okay. You know, I tell people, I try to tell them of like, generally, I think it's a bad idea to make decisions out of fear. Um, rarely is that ever a good thing. But follow your gut, the angel on your shoulder, the heavenly spirit, whatever is leading and guiding you in your decisions, follow that. Because I hear all the time of like, I hear every day of like, I knew when I was getting this done by somebody else, I knew that it was wrong. I just knew in my being that it was wrong, but I just I felt afraid to question or to say something, or you know, I felt afraid, and so I didn't do that. And so I try to encourage people to like whatever that is telling you, your your being, your spirit, the the the Holy Ghost, whatever it is, whatever's telling you, listen to that. Um in regards to what I'm telling you, or in regards to whatever anybody else is telling you. I I haven't met, uh I haven't experienced a time where that that has been wrong for people. And so I try to encourage them to listen to themselves. And uh, and and and that turns out uh, I think to be very beneficial for people.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Wow. And that you instill that and that you trust that you are such a blessing to your patients because to trust their intuition. I always tell, you know, I guide people with the gut God connection book. That's what I'm saying. Become your own ad advocate and and learn to decipher if you're making a decision from fear, yes, or from God or God given, right? Yes, because the God-given way of decisions will be the peace, the joy, the happiness, the vitality, and the fear will get you down that spiral. So, how to decipher that is also oftentimes I talk about removing, decluttering the mind, the toxins, and so being aware of these toxins that might declutter your decision making, right? And having a dentist that will spend time. So you're building trust, of course. And because there's a lot of uh dental anxiety, dental fear coming. So but that's what comes to a benefit of you. Is what I'm thinking is you spending that time though also protects you as a provider because you are instilling uh trust. And so now when they'll sit in your dental chair, they have complete trust, their nervous system is more grounded. And because as a healer, you take that on on a daily basis. And and the way that you are able to provide in a calm manner, the patient is calm, that protects you over time, your own nervous system along the way, because you know, you're taking care of thousands of patients and this in the long term protects you. And I'm curious, as a dentist for your own mental health to being doing this for over 20 years, how have you been able to do

Nervous System Safety And Healing Outcomes

SPEAKER_01 27:10

this job? Because it is very extensive. I mean, to be hunchover, really awkward positions, you know, 80% of dentists deal with a chronic back pain and some sort of pain. You know, I've had so many that had their necks fused. Yeah. How have you been able to avoid that in your own mental state?

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Well, I I try to um I have I think the the big thing for me is is purpose. Um, if I'm to be completely honest, is is um I've I find fulfillment in in what I do. Um and uh when when I I want to do things that that, you know, I'm my my time here on earth is is is is is is defined. We don't know when, but it at some point it's gonna end. And uh I'm always seeking to try to do things that will extend beyond me, you know, whether it be through my family or my children and and and through my patience. And so if you can, if I can give somebody peace uh or health or um knowledge, these are things that transcend myself. And so those things just bring me a lot of fulfillment and joy personal. And so I and then that's what inspires me to again continue to read the next book or continue to listen to the next podcast or continue to uh be involved in the next residency, or you know, that those things just continue to inspire me. And so really I think that the fulfillment that I get kind of um, you know, gives me joy and peace in in what I do. And um thankfully my my body has been, I try I try to take care of my body, or I exercise regularly. Um and certainly uh, you know, at different points in my career I've been better at that, and at certain points in my career I've been worse at that, but I've been blessed genetically, I guess, that I've I've done pretty well. And certainly as I as I get older in life, I I take those things less for granted than I did when I was younger. And so I'm more mindful of really paying attention to my body and trying to take care of it. And um, so I can continue to do the thing that really uh gives me fulfillment and joy um and making a difference for people.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

Uh that's uh and I think that's the key, right? For anybody. Yeah, anybody, profession, choose a profession because I know so many dentists that feel stuck in the career is maybe because their purpose is not they haven't found it yet. I think you're right.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

It's right in the industry. As you said, it's it's very demanding work. Um, you're you're you're performing surgery on patients, by and large, for most dentists that are awake. There's no other medical profession that performs surgery on people that are awake. So they're sedated, you know. And again, we do a lot of that in in my office, sedation um uh for things, but most dentists do things on patients that are not sedated. And so you're performing surgery on people that are awake. Their nervous system is on high alert. And so the stress that the patient feels, regardless of who you are or how you interpret that, that that bleeds over into you and you take some of that with you.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Oh, yes, I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

That makes your nervous system on high alert as well.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

But yes, what you're talking about is where I'm trying to explain in a logical mind called mirror neurons. Our nervous system is doing exactly what it's supposed to do when you're in close proximity with someone. Yes, it will mirror the nervous system in front of you. So, as a provider, physician, anything that you do, right? Yes, if you're in close proximity, you're gonna take that on. So, how do you protect yourself? And a lot of it is working on each other's nervous system and providing that care. So I think that's important knowledge for dentists to have as well, and the and the patient as they're going in to get treatments, because if they stay in that state and get a big procedure, that's gonna affect their healing. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

You cannot heal if you're in sympathetic, right? If you're in fight or flight, your body doesn't have the ability to heal. So I can perform the perfect surgery, I can do everything perfectly,

Pre-Op And Post-Op Support That Matters

SPEAKER_00 31:25

but if you're in a fight or flight state, your body will not heal. So you've got to get our body.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

What you do? What do you do for your patients to help them as they're healing? Um I'm sure maybe you have some um pre-op, post-op procedures to help them stabilize to in that parasympathetic.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Yeah. So we have a pre a pre-surgery or pre-op uh protocol that we follow that follows nutrition, supplementate, supplementing. We take a full blood panel for every single patient that comes in the office. So we're looking at everything from a nutritional standpoint, looking at their vitamin D, looking at their A R O and C, looking at whether their liver enzymes, looking at uh uh kidney function. We're looking at everything from A to Z so that we can we can prepare them to have the surgery to have a good outcome. And then post-surgery, we are doing things like PMF, red light. We've got a biomodulator transducer in the office that is designed to basically reset the autonomic nervous system to get into parasympathetic mode, rest, digest, and heal mode. We're doing IV infusions and those different types of things pre and post-surgery. So, and we we open up our surgical protocol that involves red light and the PMF and ozone sauna and all these different things for our patients a month before the surgery and a month after the surgery. They can just come in and utilize these facilities because again, my my only interest is in patients healing. Obviously, if I've invested the time and the effort and they've invested the time and the resources into getting something done, I want to make sure that we are doing everything on our part to ensure or to do at least everything that we can possible to make sure that we have a great outcome.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Wow. I that is incredible. Not a lot of people are treating that way, but the way that you see it, I'm a true believer is to set the nervous system before going into a big surgery and post op as well. Now, of course, cost comes in, you know, so many patients will say, well, that's covered by insurance. I'm sure you hear that all the time. And does insurance even cover some of the post-op that you do? Red light, um, PMF, ozone?

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Well, we we that's included in our it's like if if they're getting the dental work done, we're just doing that for them. Okay. That's included in the services pre-surgery and post-surgery. It's just included. It's just things that we have in our office that I've invested in. I've invested in those things for certainly the health of myself and and our team members, but really for our patients to heal. That's my only interest, is in the patients' healing. So I want to make sure on our side of things that I've done everything in my power to try to set the patient up to heal properly. And so that's why we say 30 days before surgery and 30 days after the surgery, all these resources in our office are available for you to use whenever you can come in. And so we allow our patients to do that. And and it has really made uh a difference in, you know, obviously our patients healing and feeling comfortable and and and just giving the body. I I believe inherently that if you if the body is in the right state, uh, emotional, physical, and spiritual in the right state, that that there is no limitations. The body has the capability to heal itself. It's just our job to try to get it in the right state.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

In the right state. I say that all the time. We have the capability, if you have the knowledge, of course, of what's affecting your healing power. But I this is incredible the way you treat. Now, I want to share some stories because people love stories and they learn so much of uh different treatments that you've done and what you've seen for their health moving forward.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Yeah. So I mean, you know, a couple of things. It's kind of funny why certain stories or certain patients and their stories stick with you. Uh, and so, you know, a couple that uh come to my mind was I had a a patient that came in, um, and it was a local patient, and um, she came in,

Stories Of GI Relief, Heart Rhythm, Fertility

SPEAKER_00 35:40

she had heard from a friend of a friend of a friend that, you know, you should go see uh Dr. Porter. And so she came in and we went through the records appointment, and then we saw her at our consultation, and I show her, showed her that she had an abscess around a root canal-treated tooth. And of course, it was not bothering her, which is very normal. That that would certainly be the norm there. And so I showed it to her on the three-dimensional x-ray, and she said, Yeah, okay, I have that. And so I explained to her of like what her treatment options were. I explained to her what conventional dentistry would recommend doing, would be having the root canal redone again. That's what they would recommend. Uh, other options that I would be more inclined uh from a health perspective to do would be to remove the tooth, clean everything out, have an implant, a ceramic implant place. And so she said, okay, yeah, I'll I'll do that. I think I can see the infection. I see there's a problem. Let's go ahead and do that. So we do that. We remove it and place our implant and do all that. And then she comes back to me um, you know, for a post-op check. And she's oh, well, I just I, you know, do you have a moment to talk? And I said, Yeah, yeah, what's on your mind? And she said, uh, and this lady, you know, is a, you know, she weighs probably like 110 pounds, soaking wet, very fit, healthy, seems to be. And there was all this information that she did not share with me previously. And she's all I just wanted to let you know that um I've been suffering from severe um uh uh GI issues for well over a decade. She's all I've been to the Cleveland Clinic, I've been to the Mayo clinic, I've tried every diet known to man, the keto, the carnivore, the paleo, everything. And uh nobody can come up with a reason of why this why this problem has occurred. And I know that you told me that, you know, this tooth sits on the meridian of of the digestive system. And I know that you said that, but every doctor thinks what they do is the most important thing on the planet earth. And I thought you were just one of those doctors, no offense, and I'm like, oh, no offense taken. She's all within a week of that tooth being removed, I had zero digestive issues. They are all gone. I am cured. She's all I would have paid you the amount of money that you that I gave you for the removal of the tooth, uh, the cleaning of it, using the ozone, using the laser, using, you know, these uh the sonic instrument, uh, placing the ceramic implant in and placing the crown on. I would have just given you the money if you would have taken away my GAI problems, even if I didn't have a tooth. She's all, I just wanted to thank you and I appreciate you know everything that you do and you know, and all this. And and then her mom actually came in and saw me about four months after that. And she's all I just wanted to thank you for what you did for my daughter. For the first time in probably 15 or 20 years, she's actually put on a healthy amount of weight. Wow. And so, you know, that that does that is just always kind of stuck with me. You know, you think, you know, Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, I mean, the some of the brightest people in in in the world really are at these clinics. And for whatever reason, they they're just they don't get it yet. And that's unfortunate. Um I I hear that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

I saw the top specialist and I was given no hope. And I I tell my friend, I said, I never believe in no hope.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

You know, we just gotta keep asking, keep asking, right? But yeah, I I love that story, and it it just proves that yes, each tooth is connected to an organ. And how many um do you have any examples like you know, heart attacks? I know, you know, cardiac disease from uh root canals, but it's never correlated. You know, if they went to the emergency room and they, you know, they're young, they're very active, and all of a sudden, oh, a root cardiac arrest. Yes. Often, you know, can you mention, do you have any examples of of that? Do you see that in the practice?

SPEAKER_00 39:33

I I had a lady, I had a lady that um she had uh she's having uh constant like heart palpitations uh for years, and uh they were they were considering you know doing intervention, surgical intervention to try to control these. And so she had cavitations present, you know, and and if we talk about again the meridians on where those cavitations are, lower cavitations, you know, they they are set right on the heart meridian. And of course, I go into, you know, with every patient, trying not to, I try to give them realistic expectations. I I explain to them like I cannot certainly promise you anything by if you do this, this is going to happen. I can give you a definitive answer of like, I believe 100% you were going to be healthier afterwards, but I can't definitively tell you that A is gonna equal B 100% of the time. So um, so anyway, she she she was aware of that. We we looked at the x-rays and saw what the problem was, and she agreed and she's oh, well, I need to get this taken care of regardless. Anyway, basically, after we get the cavitations cleaned out and everything, she's she's never had a heart, a heart issue since.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Wow. So yeah, cavitations are generally because of removed wisdom teeth. Yes. And and so a lot of people don't even know. Like you said, you won't have really pain or anything that will make you think, oh, maybe it's in my jaw or from the wisdom teeth I took out when I was 20.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

Dental infections rarely ever equate to pain unless they are unless they go beyond what the immune system can kind of tolerate or handle. They'll rarely, rarely ever be associated with pain, periodontal disease. There's rarely ever pain associated with that. Uh a root canal-treated tooth. There is no pain. The tooth is the nerve has been killed in the tooth. So there's rarely ever pain there. Uh, I mean, I've had patients come in that basically told, well, my neurosurgeon said I had a uh a tumor, uh, you know, and we found out that, you know, we took a 3D and it was actually an abscess on a root canal treated tooth. You know, I've had I've had women, uh uh one that that comes to my mind where um she had been, um, they'd been trying to get pregnant for over five years. They had a family already, a family of three, um, and they had been trying for the last five years to get pregnant, and they were doing everything and they they could not get pregnant. Well, she had a root canal treated tooth on number nine. Again, same kind of song and dance as far as well, here's a root canal treated tooth. You have an abscess around there, these are your options. What would you like to do? I don't want this in my body. Let's let's get this infection out. Uh, we remove the tooth, clean everything out, place a ceramic implant in. She's pregnant within two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Wow. Wow. I I've heard that now. Yeah. On and on and on again. And actually, uh, I do also have a friend that was having problems getting pregnant and realized the last place she checked was the mouth and she has cavitation. So it'll be interesting after the surgery, you know, where her body will be because she was doing everything else. And uh, and I always say for parents, if you are planning to have kids to detox together beforehand and prep your body because it's epigenetic. A lot of these toxins will be epigenetic. I saw this with my own children, with dad having high mercury. I found mercury in my children. And I was like, whoa, how how? And so I learned that it's epigenetic. So doing these heavy metal clans, parasites, uh, you know, nutritional changes for your own gut health and removing anything that might be infected. Like you said, it's it's being educated because your body's constantly fighting something. So if it's taking away uh, you know, from healing anywhere else or spending time in in rejuvenating cells, because it's always taking the time to, you know, for this infection. So being aware as to is so important. And and what I know you mentioned too, like, you know, you say breast cancer as well, that you've noticed that oftentimes, but not all. I know I've I've I've mentioned this before to people, and it's like, well, I don't have an infection in the mouth, but also, well, do you have a root canal? Do you have cavitations? You know, you might not have looked at that either because it's it's not um uh common knowledge for most general dentists to look for those.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

Right. Yeah. I think uh Dr. Levy um He's a cardiologist. He's he's he I think in his book, I think he stated that 97% of women who have breast cancer have a root canal on the same side. You know, so um, you know, that again, that that doesn't mean that that's what's going to happen, but that's that's a pretty high number. And, you know, uh uh, I think that he did a study to where they extracted 5,000 root canal treated teeth. 5,000 out of 5,000 of them came back infected. So again, if it's a dead piece of tissue inside the body,

Root Canals, Cavitations, And Chronic Disease

SPEAKER_00 44:30

I there isn't a way to sterilize that. If your finger was black, um, there's not a healthcare practitioner on planet Earth, uh, allopathic or naturopathic, that would that would encourage you to keep that finger. They would tell you to remove it because it's going to impact the rest of your body. And so dentistry has just not gotten there yet of like, we can't kill teeth and expect that not to have a biologic response on the body. Now, if we can agree that it's gonna have a biologic response on the body, then we can have, I think, a discussion of like, is it best to keep it or not keep it? You know, and some people may choose to keep it. And again, that's fine. My job is not to uh uh convince anybody of anything, but I think that we have to come to the agreement that it's it's gonna have an effect on the body. And uh, for different people, it's gonna have a different effect. And so um all these things, again, the we've been taught in medicine of like dentists, you know, stay in this lane, your ENT stays in this lane, your heart doctor stays in this lane, and we fail to realize that all of it is combined. Everything works synergistically, everything affects everything else. And so I think the the outstanding physicians one understand that and are continuing to try to understand more about how it's affecting other uh other parts of the body or things, you know. Like I was at a chiropractic conference, um, oh shoot, I think a couple months ago in in Washington because I have an interest in learning again what I don't know. And I know there's a lot out there that I don't know. And so I probably spend half of my time either at uh medical conferences or chiropractic conferences or conferences outside of dentistry because I'm I I want to gain more knowledge and insight so for the things that I can help with, and also to be able to collaborate with healthcare practitioners that I can send, you know, patients to that have that same understanding.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

And that's the key right there is to find a practitioner that communicates with other practitioners, and that's how it should be because yeah, you you got to communicate together because it's all intertwined. And I do the same thing. I don't just go to dental conferences, I go to biohack, health conferences because the gut, the mouth is all connected. And I want to learn more just like you and and chiropractic, you know, cranosacral, you know, the the even how the babies are coming out, the birth trauma, how that might affect you know, the nervous system and the tongue ties. And so it's all connected. So I've done the same, and I I I use my podcast to also have experts on the talk about different fields because it's all interconnected. You're exactly right. And I think a lot more physicians should communicate now with biological dentists and start understanding. And I love your friend that sends people to see, you know, a practitioner like you, a dentist like you, first. Yeah. Because they they c they get to roadblock so often. And it let's start in the mouth first. And I'm a true believer of that as well.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

Yeah, they they understand. Again, we all have to know nobody knows everything. All of us are learning, all of us are practicing, all of us, you hope, are just seeking again for truth. And so people are at different levels. Um, and so you want, you want, you want as much collaboration as possible. Um, ideally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

How can we get this more standardized though? I think it's it's such a, you know, I feel now, you know, I'm I've been blessed enough to meet a lot of biological dentists, but still it's almost like only one per state. I would actually recommend someone. So how can we really just allow other physicians to not feel that block like that overwhelmed to make that step or to see their truth themselves without having like most of the dentists I talked to that that made the switch is because they got really ill and had no choice, you know, I got really ill or a family member didn't it couldn't unsee the truth for yourself. It was pretty much from the beginning you were a truth seeker. And um so I would love for other practitioners to just start learning more and be open to it. And I love how you did explain though, you said maybe this is why so many, well, first of all, as humans, we're so resistant to change. Yes. Um, but you said that imagine we the doctors now spend half a million dollars for school. Yep. And then you're out practicing, and then you learn that what you've been taught might have not been the best care. And so now that's almost like an ego identity issue.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Yes. Yeah. I think it comes, I think it really in the end comes down to that is um, you know, you you have to you have to you have to see the truth for the truth. And and and when you find the truth, one you have to be open enough to just see it. And I think a lot of people, because of ego, you know, I explained to that in my book, one of my one of my um mentors, you know, when he discovered the truth, um, he was so excited. And um he went to his dental school mentor.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

I looked for orthodontics, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Yes, yes. And and and his his friend and colleague that they, you know, have been very close for you know 20 years, turned around and walked the other way and never spoke to him again.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

Wow. And I'd love to shine that truth, actually. I've never really dove into orthodontics thought ortho is to why this might not be the perfect smile, the first step for you to look into, because it can actually affect your airway.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

Absolutely. So yeah, orthodontics, that's something I'm really passionate about, or my belief is in just facial growth and development. And so we see this trend uh that's that's happening um at a at a rate that evolution really couldn't predict of our faces and our airways getting smaller. Sleep apnea is is at epidemic levels in certainly westernized countries, and it's because our faces have continued to get smaller and develop. Well, orthodontics is kind of unfortunately kind of um thrown fuel on the fire. So the the goal in orthodontics is just really been straight teeth. And, you know, certainly there's value in having straight teeth. Everybody wants straight teeth, including me. I understand that. And there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that at all. But that's really been the focus of orthodontics is just making sure that the teeth are straight. And whatever we have to do to get the teeth straight, we're going to do. Whether that means we're going to remove teeth, um, that's that's been, I mean, that's still practiced today. Uh, it's certainly, I think, done less today than it was uh in in times past, but it is still done today. And so when they remove teeth, when they pull the teeth out, they end up pulling teeth back. And when you pull teeth back, now you have less room in your mouth for your tongue. So your tongue, if you're gonna maintain lip seal, meaning your lips being together, the tongue is gonna go further back into the throat. Okay. Or you're gonna compensate on the other end of things and you're going to be, you're gonna, your tongue is gonna come forward and you're gonna hang your mouth open all day long, which that's gonna have a snowball effect on your health as well, too. As soon as we start exhaling through our mouth, breathing through our mouth, we automatically exhale too much CO2. CO2 is a smooth muscle relaxant. So as soon as you start breathing through your mouth, your lungs are going to constrict and your blood vessels are gonna constrict. Okay, so the amount of oxygen

Orthodontics, Airway Growth, Mouth Breathing

SPEAKER_00 52:15

that you're gonna be able to absorb through your lungs is exponentially decreased. So, from a health side of things, this is this is exactly the wrong, wrong thing to do. We want to maintain lip seal, breathe through our nose, so our lungs expand, blood vessels dilate. Back before they had inhalers and an asthmatic was having an asthma attack. What did they used to have them do? They used to have them breathe into a uh breathe into a brown paper bag, right? Because what they would be doing is breathing back in their own CO2. So they would do that, so they would breathe in their own CO2. If you breathe in the appropriate amount of CO2, your lungs will automatically start to expand. The amount of oxygen you can absorb is going to be exponentially increased. So we want to do we want to encourage forward growth in the face and natural forward growth in the face. So one, we look more attractive because we do when our face develops more forward, and we have a broader, nicer, prettier smile. Again, all attractive features, but even more important than that is health. And so we don't want to be mouth breathers, we don't want to have things pulled back. And traditional orthodontics, if you think about it, there's a wire that sets on the outside of our teeth. Okay. We're connecting molars that have got three roots to incisors that have got single roots. When you connect the three-rooted tooth to an incisor that has got single roots, uh, orthodontics is essentially kind of a game of tuggo, tug-of-war. You're using one tooth to move another tooth, right? You're using something more stable to move something less stable, essentially. So, if do we think that the the third molar or the first molar that's got three roots on there is going to have a greater impact than an incisor that's got single? Well, the answer is yes. So oftentimes what we see in this, you can simply measure this, right? This is this is what was proposed to my my mentor, uh Dr. Hang, um, by somebody, uh Dr. Mew in England. He's all you have to do is just measure the cosmetic line of a patient. Do this on your patients. Measure from the tip of the nose to the incisal edge of the tooth, and you're gonna get a measurement that's called the cosmetic line measurement. That measurement, let's say for a 10-year-old boy, right, should be 33 millimeters, right, for ideal growth and development. Okay. So the age plus 23 millimeters. Uh for a girl, the age plus 21 millimeters, okay, for ideal facial growth and development. So you can measure this and do your orthodontics, whatever, however, you think is the best way to do it, and measure that on your patients every visit and see if that starts getting longer or if it starts getting shorter. And Bill did this, and Bill noticed that the way he was doing it, it would get longer in every single patient. And then when I when I started learning from Bill, I'm like, huh. Well, that's interesting, but this is something that I can go test in my own office. So I started doing the same thing, and I noticed the exact same thing. So traditional orthodontics has a tendency to pull teeth back. Yes, it does align and straighten them, but it pulls it back, which from a health standpoint is the last thing that we want to do. We want to do the exact opposite. And there are things that we can do to develop things laterally and forward without pulling things back. And so that's where really my passion and growth and development of the face um and and the airway have really stemmed from. And I have seen remarkable health improvements in patients from asthma to uh a patient that was diagnosed with epilepsy, um, would have seizures in the middle of the night when they were sleeping. Um, and then through kind of expansion, again, not just laterally, that's become pretty main, uh pretty common in a lot of orthodontic treatment is to expand. I I would say that they're not expanding enough, but we could debate on that. But you can't really expand your way outside or out of an airway problem. You have to get forward growth and development. So the last thing that we want to do is to pull teeth back. Under no circumstances do we ever want to do that. And when you put on herbs appliances or twin block appliances, so a herb suppliance, essentially, if we if you have your upper incisors here and your lower incisors here, they'll they'll tell you that a herb suppliance is going to move the lower jaw forward like this. And in a perfect world, if it could do that, it would be fantastic. I would be all on board. But because the herb suppliance cannot defy the laws of physics, you're attaching the lower jaw to the upper jaw through a piston mechanism. For every force you're pushing the lower jaw forward, you're pulling the upper jaw back. So instead of getting this, you're getting this. And sometimes you're getting this. So it's very unpredictable, but you're always going to have some force moving backwards. And so, again, if you measure that cosmetic line on those kids that are in those appliances, because I've done it, you'll see that there's a retraction of the upper jaw. Yes, it does decrease the overbite. For sure it does do that, but you're pulling back the upper jaw to accomplish that. And from a health standpoint, I would say that that that's not worth it.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

And so Yeah, you don't want to affect the airway. Airway should be number one you look at.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

Number one. Number one, yes. Above everything else. Your body, uh, again, I think um I read somewhere that of like uh some things that somebody can like look for in an adolescent or in child or even in an adult to diagnose airway problems. The first thing is in a primary dentition with baby teeth, is if all their baby teeth are touching in the front. If all the baby teeth are touching in the front, we we know that they are compensating their breathing, their breathing is compensated. You should you should have space in between all those teeth. In a permanent dentition, for an adult, you want to look at where on the teeth are. Are the teeth flat? Do they have shape on the teeth or all the teeth flat? I look at the lowers first and then I look at the uppers. Because the teeth generally, for most people, set like this, again, upper teeth, bottom teeth. And if we're not breathing very well at night, the body's again's primary responsibility is to above everything else is to breathe. If the airway collapses at night, the jaw is gonna want to get pushed forward because when the jaw moves forward, okay, the airway expands and opens up. So your body's going to destroy your teeth in an effort to breathe, and it will make that trade-off every single day. So that if you're doing this over and over again, every

Quick Signs Your Airway Is Struggling

SPEAKER_00 58:55

single night, year after year after year, the first area you're going to start seeing it is on those lower incisors. And what I've noticed over time is we're seeing wear at an earlier and earlier.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

Yes, I see that in young kids, younger and younger. Yes, I see that so often. And I'm like, oh, I try and, you know, pitch as much as I can for parents to check for air where they're kids when they're snoring and the wear and tear, like down to almost little, little chicklets, you know. That's it. And I'm like, oh no, like let's let's look at the airway uh now. Um, I love how you explained everything because that's uh it's just simplifies it. You have the stories, get knowledgeable. And I feel like it talked to you for a really long time, but I I am gonna put a link for your book, Aim, first of all, because I do believe everybody listening, read it, then pass it on to family members because the way you're treating, first of all, when you are treating someone and now they can live with vitality, it has a ripple effect to their family and for generations, because now they will know to treat like this for generations to come. So we need we need a movement now to educate people. And your book is so simple. You're not a reader. This is a very easy read. And he makes it so easy to understand airway, infections, and metals and advocate for your own health. This would be the biggest gift for you as a family. Uh, I I'm truly, I absolutely loved it. Well, thank you. I'll bring it to work with me.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:31

Well, thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:33

So thank you for writing it. And if people would like to come and get dental work with you, because you have a lot of people flying in, how can they find you?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

Well, we have two offices. We have one in Gillette, Wyoming, and then we have another location in Sturgis, South Dakota. I do work at each office, and so um uh either by contacting our Gillette office, uh our website is uh www.mysenergedental.com. So it has all the information on there for the Gillette office and the Sturgis office. So we have people really fly in from across across the country at each of those uh locations. And you know, certainly I would I would love to be a part of uh somebody's health journey and in and moving forward.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

Yes, thank you. Yeah, that's how we got aligned is yeah, I had um some somehow Marissa found me and she connected with me because she wants to share her dental story. So and then she's like, you gotta meet Dr. Porter. And thank you for being a big supporter and being willing to take the time. I know you're a busy man, and I I just honor what you do with such

Book, Clinics, And Next Steps

SPEAKER_01 1:01:35

faith and um, you know, doing God's work. It really, I do see that. And um to bring this awareness to globally, that's my mission. You know, now this episode will be out there forever. And that's my hope is that it brings this education for a long life and give vitality to people. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:53

Well, thank you for what you're doing as well, too. Like I said, uh spreading, spreading the word and and informing and encouraging people uh in again, a pathway forward. I I believe it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

Yes, absolutely. Well, thank you very much for listening to Not Alone with Melissa Sue. If this resonated with you and you click like, okay, I need my myself to advocate for myself. First step, read Dr. Porter's book, aim. This will clarify so much. Then make the next step, find yourself a biological dentist, connect with Dr. Porter, and he can help you in your first step. I know it can become very overwhelming because you're like, oh, I've got Rucanella, I've got this. Just one step at a time. Read the book, get educated. Step two, find a provider that is very knowledgeable in this. And I know my my goal is to have a list state by step, state by state, actually globally. I just had a dentist from the UK. And these are the resources you can you can go to. And I personally trust and have had on my podcast. So thank you again for listening. Please subscribe, share, so we can reach people globally.